No spark - can someone help me fix it?

[levymetal]

Hey everyone, again, funny how I just posted a thread about my dizzy, i didn't touch it but now my car has no spark at all. i was just driving along, temp got up to 3/4 so i pulled over, turns out the clutch fan was just taking it's time to kick in and temp started stabilizing. there was some form of ticking coming from the engine, but i thought i'd worry about that later. i started to drive up the road then the car just died on me. so i'm not sure exactly what it is, dizzy, ignition module... don't really want to take it to a mechanics as i would be up for a lot of money.

i was wondering if anyone would like to help me diagnose and fix my car? i'll definitely pay, just let me know how much you want. i really want to make sure that a proper job is done fixing it. I'm not very technical minded, I wouldn't be able to do anything myself (especially not the dizzy...)

i live in somerville so you'd have to come here. i have a timing light but not much else, so you'd really need to bring some tools. hell i can even pick you up in my mums car so you don't have to drive (wherever you live!). this weekend would be good, but i'm free monday and tuesday all day, then the other days i work 5pm to 1am.

hopefully someone will be able to help me, i'd really appreciate it

[Vt-Brrrlina]

ok so u were driving when car died.......... mine did similar once before...

coil - cheapest option......
ignition module -- hell expensive
dizzy cap or rotor problem.... cheap...

if you have no spark to all 8 leads id be more inclined to say ignition module or coil, but replace coil 1st coz its like 50 dollars as opposed to like 400 for the ignition module...

if u have spark to some but not others be more inclined to say timing is way out somehow.......

mine turned out to be 2 things......
ignition module and rotor... my rotor was completely naffed and was causing car to backfire, just unlucky they both went in the space of a coupla days

[greenfoam]

The rotor probably caused the module to die, the coil and module do the same, too much stress somewhere else seems to kill it

[levymetal]

how about this - after the car died, i found that one of the spark leads had come off (the one that goes to the cylinder behind cylinder 1, forgot the order). could that have contributed?

don't think any of the cylinders have spark - but apparently there is a tiny spark at the dizzy (according to racv). so this means my hall effect sensor is ok. apparently, just going off what they said.

[centy]

check for a loose contact on dizzy. try swaping leads, maybe dizzy to coil ht lead has died.
normal trick clean everything.

[greenfoam]

How many months have you been driving around in a 7 cylinder 304 ? might explain some lack of power. it will most likely be the module, if you are lucky it's just the solder joint on the transistor but replace the coil anyway, it's allways good to have a new one, there's allways been an issue with your car and I'd say it's finally letting you know what that is

[savage1987]

lol... a rare 266ci V7 VP

Hope to hell that it's the coil I was lucky to never have any issues with the spark in my old 304.. although I did pick up a weird amount of power from a new dizzy cap and rotor...

[greenfoam]

They all pick up 20 rwkw from fixing worn out spark parts: )

[levymetal]

no one to help though?

i'll check out the coil, where is it on a 304? (now you know why i need help )

also, can't believe it, my car has been on the naturestrip for 5 hours and some worthless piece of shit already egged it... what the **** is wrong with people these days? makes me wonder why i even bother living.

[savage1987]

no one to help though?

i'll check out the coil, where is it on a 304? (now you know why i need help )

also, can't believe it, my car has been on the naturestrip for 5 hours and some worthless piece of shit already egged it... what the **** is wrong with people these days? makes me wonder why i even bother living.

I'll help if you can get me there from WA :P

Why bother living? Easy. To not be a worthless piece of shit, and improve the world's ratio.

Polish that egg shit off man, it'll ruin the paint if you leave it to sit for too long. Wash it, polish it, wax it.

[levymetal]

i washed it off, i should really polish my car though. never done it once - paint is already crap anyway

and thanks to jason, i'm feeling pretty confident now. tomorrow will be full of a new coil and ignition module fixing

[stocky]

i would also say coil. would help if someone with a 5 litre dropped by your place and swapped coils to test

mine did something similar. coil got a crack in it, and it would just die on me, mostly at traffic lights. strange thing is, on the day it died, one of my ignition leads also came off somehow . but yeah, it would then try to start, but would get no where, as the crack was causing the coil to earth out to the firewall

[VNexecutive]

coils are easy to change. they are on the passenger side of the firewall, fairly close to the dizzy.

ignition modules are easily swapped over with somebody else that has a 5L vn-vs(im assuming they are the same throughout) to check if its that or not.

my hall effect sensor and ignition module went at the same time in my old ss. that was fun working that one out.

[Vt-Brrrlina]

yep the coil is attached to the back of the engine passenger side between engine and firewall,,, bitch of a job to get out and worse to get back in , , i bought an aftermarket one and fitted it to the firewall, now is easy to get to and the wires for the coil reach easily enough. but yeh coil is by far the cheapest option besides dizzy cap and rotor,

and yeh if leads in the wrong spot it makes a HUGE difference car wont go.....

[levymetal]

awesome day so far. i tried to get the coil out - fail. then i had a look at the ignition module to see if there was anything to fix in it - another fail.

anyone with a 5ltr want to help me swap some parts over? $$$ is on offer... i don't think i was cut out to work on cars

[greenfoam]

Did you change the coil later in the day? It's only held on with one bolt :? falls off pretty easy

[levymetal]

i gave up

is that the bolt at the top of it, to the engine? btw: looks like it's one of those black bosch ones, doesn't look that old either... do they have a tendency to fail, or would you lean more towards ignition module now?

[wrx884]

if u end up gettin 2 the ignition module repco does refirbished 1ns 4 like $150 but u have 2 give them urs in exchange.

[delcowizzid]

you could risk leaving the coil on but it could fry a new module if the coil is at fault

[greenfoam]

Yep change them both as a pair other wise the other often craps out soon afterwards

[Vt-Brrrlina]

yep i totally agree ........ to ^^^^^^^ but change the coil first coz ts cheaper.....

[levymetal]

i got the old coil out, but there's no way in hell i can get the new one in. the wires that come from the loom are like 3cm, i can't even get them to the top of the manifold let alone somehow get them onto the coil. i was thinking about extending the wires, but i've lost all confidence now. i think i'll just get it towed to my mechanic.

thanks for everyone's input anyway

[greenfoam]

heyyy how come the wires need extending the coil should in in the same place as it did before. Anyway aside from being bolted to the manifold, does the car go?? with it pluged in?

[levymetal]

yeah it is, but it was SOOOO hard to get the wires off the coil. they are really short. and there's no way i can actually get the wires onto the new coil now. simply cannot reach (can't even reach to get them on to test the car). the wires are like, fuel rail height, but at the back of the manifold

[greenfoam]

You are crazy man, just stick the wires on then bolt the coil to the manifold, if it wasn't dark I would go and pull mine off then stick it back on just so I could try and figure out why this is an issue, I duno how you got the dizzy cap on, thats in a harder spot than the coil, where are you trying to do all this from laying on the motor or from the side of the car?