fitting 19" signitures problem :(

[vn_v6]

hi all, i just got a pair of signitures, but they only fit one side, on the right side, it wont clear the front spring or shock whatever its called, it seems bigger than the left one, and says vp on it? in texta, mustve been replaced, would it be hard to make it fit or should i just get spacers??

[Reaper]

If they fit on the LHS but not right, either the wheels are different, the tyres are different or your car has had a massive hit and been put back together wonky.

I'd start looking for differences in the wheels/tyres to begin with.

Reaper

[TVR-190]

dont get spacers, thats just dangerous and stupid

[vn_v6]

i got my car aligned, liiike last week, mechanics aid it was all good, my cars never been hit, and the tyres are identical, they were on my mates s1 vn, is it possible that i just have different strut??

[Reaper]

i got my car aligned, liiike last week, mechanics aid it was all good, my cars never been hit, and the tyres are identical, they were on my mates s1 vn, is it possible that i just have different strut??

Highly highly unlikely. Maybe the tyres are identical but are the wheels?

Reaper

[levymetal]

or are the struts both in the same way? on my car someone had put one of the struts in the wrong way (you could tell, it didn't look aligned from under the bonnet). that wheel was actually sitting further back than the other one, so depending on which way it was put in, it could be the difference between rubbing and not.

[greenfoam]

Thats not really wrong, often they aren't setup the same on both sides (roads aren't straight) but if it was a really tight fit then having one strut adjusted with less camber could make the difference

[hakhawk]

all the camber and alignments in the world wont stop the tyre hitting the spring base. the strut needs to be modified for it to clear, that or get narrower or smaller diameter tyres.


spacers are illegal, so while its an option, its not a wise one.

[Reaper]

Thats not really wrong, often they aren't setup the same on both sides (roads aren't straight) but if it was a really tight fit then having one strut adjusted with less camber could make the difference

all the camber and alignments in the world wont stop the tyre hitting the spring base. the strut needs to be modified for it to clear, that or get narrower or smaller diameter tyres.

spacers are illegal, so while its an option, its not a wise one.

Camber/Caster/Whatever adjustments won't make any difference to the wheel hitting the strut top unless you managed to bend the stub axle in the process. Make sure that 1 wheel isn't 8" and the other isn't 9" or different offsets etc.

Reaper

[Reaper]

or are the struts both in the same way? on my car someone had put one of the struts in the wrong way (you could tell, it didn't look aligned from under the bonnet). that wheel was actually sitting further back than the other one, so depending on which way it was put in, it could be the difference between rubbing and not.

If he put the lhs strut on the right and visa versa either the steering won't attach or the wheel won't which is pretty obvious
If the strut tops are arse about the alignment will be way out of whack but will have no impact on hitting the spring seat.

Reaper

[WNTDVT]

I notice that Reaper says it is highly highly unlikely that you have a different strut on one side, however if it has VP written on it in texta, then it sounds like it has come from a wreckers or been purchased second hand.

In the event that this is true, and by the sounds of it, it probably is, VP's and VQ's actually ran a narrower wheel track which was a result of a shorter hub/axle assembly. If a VP strut has been placed into the VN, the VP strut/hub setup will locate the wheel further inside the guard and cause the wheel to hit the strut, same goes for VQ's.

You will not fit senator sigs (or any hsv wheel post vt) onto a VQ or VP without the use of wheel spacers.

In saying all this, I'd actually say it's highly likely that one of your struts is a VP item which has been changed over/replaced at some stage for some reason.

Matt.

[Cobez]

You will not fit senator sigs (or any hsv wheel post vt) onto a VQ or VP without the use of wheel spacers.

In saying all this, I'd actually say it's highly likely that one of your struts is a VP item which has been changed over/replaced at some stage for some reason.

Matt.

WRONG.

I bolted genuine 19" Senator Sigs straight up to my first car, which was a VP, and it was fairly bloody low. They didn't scrub either. Wearing 235/35/19 rubber i think it was. Had no problems whatsoever. No need for wheel spacers at all, if there was, i wouldn't have bought them. They are stupid.

Trent on this forum fit up 19" Sigs to his VP International as well with no probs.

[Reaper]

I notice that Reaper says it is highly highly unlikely that you have a different strut on one side, however if it has VP written on it in texta, then it sounds like it has come from a wreckers or been purchased second hand.

In the event that this is true, and by the sounds of it, it probably is, VP's and VQ's actually ran a narrower wheel track which was a result of a shorter hub/axle assembly. If a VP strut has been placed into the VN, the VP strut/hub setup will locate the wheel further inside the guard and cause the wheel to hit the strut, same goes for VQ's.

I think you might be confusing front to rear. VP/Q IRS rears are narrower than VR onwards (IRS).

VR onwards struts are way different to VB-VP type and will not fit without massive modifications - nobody bothers.

I still put my money on odd/mismatched wheels.

Reaper

[ducker85]

did you make sure the 19" wheels have the same offset as your stocko factory 1's?

the 19's on my car were almost sticking out of the front gaurds (NO SPACERS) plus you should NEVER space the front, witth 8mm spacers on the rear they fitted but were VERY DANGEROUS cos there is little stud in the nut I dont advise doing this (I only drove around for 1 week)

also my VP is 28P offset the VY sigs are 48P

if in doubt just fit coiler overs problem sloved

[vq rat]

I have genuine sigs on my vn, i had to use a hammer ( yes it is rough) to belt in the bit just under the spring saddle, its only about 3mm but that all it needed to have full clearance when the car is on the ground, it doesn't affect the shocker moment at all, yes coil over would be the answer