car bottoms out, why? and whats the go on second hand shockers?
hi all, my rear shockers are pretty stuffed i reakcon... wit 1 pasenger or couple .. my car bottems out on all bumps on the road.. like my toe bar hits the gound ***n!..
my cuz was pressing down on car n said your shocks r gone abit buh not that stuffed.. its factory lowered on FE2 suspention as it is a VN s pac..
was thinking of buying second hand shocks from wreakers , saw some aftermarket ones.. which had superlows around em, i got the super lows n was thinking of putting em in with that shocker. Its a old car (vn) so thought why spend $150 on rear springs when i can buy second hand ones for $40 a pair??? what yous reakcon?
.. but a friend said it might be the springs are stuffed or hav been cut.
From info giving what other reason could it be why my car iz very bouncey and smack the ground hard wen i got full car load or 2 people in it or somtimes with 1 person? on normal bumps on the road. ..(iv snaped my exhaust 2 times now from having a full car load.. )
(so 2 questions,, reasons it could bottem out? and for a vn will second hand shockers be good enough.)
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i reckon no matter how old the car is suspension parts should never be secondhand. you never know who's problems you are buying and the suspension is as important to safety as brakes and tyres so new is best. and i'd say it is a combo of stuffed shocks and wornout springs. replace both with new.
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yep, never get second hand shocks unless you know their history, they only last about 80,000km.
Pull the shocks out, push them through their full range of motion and check their operation is smooth, with no oil leaks or anything like that. They should want to stay extended. If they are not smooth, have oil leaks or anything like that they are shagged and no point in getting them.
Second hand springs are ok, Theres not really much that can go wrong with them. As long as they are not cut, sagging, cracked or badly rusted.
if thats the case,, these ones im lookin at look pretty new, im guessing he hasnt had em in their for more then 80,000km. Hrmm tuff chioce il tak em out like andrew426 said and try em n buy em with the return option, so if their shit. tak em back and buy some stockies .. either way works and will put a smile on my faceOriginally Posted by TheIceman
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maybe hitting bumps at speed of light is the problem? or having a tow bar that looks more like a jackstand lool
If it's bouncy then it's the shocks. The back ones are easy to do yourself however the front ones are a bit harder as you have to pull the strut apart and you will probably find a lot of other bits needing replacement as well such as the bearing plates, bump stops, rubber dust boots etc. You need to buy Pedders dust boots as the genuine ones are no longer available, the pedders ones come with the bump stop. As fas as bearing plates go you can go from genuine up to fully adjustable it just depends on how much money you want to spend. I just put genuine ones on it and I was happy with them. I don't think your wise to spend a fortune on a VN to try and make it handle better if your after that get a VY. Also with a car at that age some of the front end bushes may also be worn a bit. I know after my shocks, dust boots, bearing plates and one rack end were done the car still rattled in the front and felt loose over bumps on some dirt roads even driving slowly.
I replaced shocks on my VN when I bought it at 170,000km in 1998 as they were still original and well and truly worn out. The ones I put in it were still fine (tested on a machine) at about 280,000km so they can last a long time if you get reasonably good quality ones. I'd go Monroe, no need for KYB etc unless you like spending money for no reason.
If you think the FE2 springs in your car may have been cut measure the ride height and compare it to the factory specification, also have you checked to see if they are still the original FE2 springs?
good info thank u, um yeh il hav to measure my ride height.. from what point to what point i measure?
um the springs are Red lol so im gussing that are the FE2 springs. but i dunt kno how to check that either.. it had a white tag on it with some numbers on it .
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FE2 are black ide say they are cut FE2 isnt so low it would bottom out
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you saying FE2 is black colour springs, and that its not that low to bottem out?
and that i low springs that are probly cut ? .. il show a picture of m cars ride height.. its old pic wen car was red
(car has hardly any gas or petrol in this pic.. so with full tank of gas n petrol sits a inty bit lower.
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/DSC00211.jpg
Just try putting in a new(er) set of shocks in the back, should give you another inch or so if your old shocks are shagged out.
if you are not sure what the problem is, it will only cost you a whole 14 bucks to get pedders to hoist the car up and check it over. They'll let you know of any other issues too. I know it probably sounds like I work for them or something but it is a pretty sweet deal. It doesn't mean you have to get them to fix your car!
I personally would steer clear from 2nd hand suspension components. Whats 100 bucks when you are really buying safety, performance, and in some cases comfort.
new shocks wont make your car any higher. they dont take any of the weight of the car, they just oppose quick movements either up or down.
New shocks unless they are air shocks and you pump them up won't increase the ride height you need new springs to do this.
You can rest assured if you take it there you will get the hard sell and a list of repairs into the thousands and most of the things will not need to be done. If you take it there be very very careful.
hrmm pedders is jst around the crn, i'll giv it ago some time this week and see what they say. thanks guys. I'll let u kno wah happens
They do take some weight. Notice a brand new set of shocks will always push outwards (extend itsself).
Try it, I put new KYBs in the back of my VS a few days ago. Factory springs, nothing changed but the shocks. And it gained about an inch and a half.
Just get the report and don't commit to have any work done until you have had some feedback here or a second opinion. I got a $14 check on my VN and it came back with about $2000 of repairs urgently needed, funny though seeings it got a pink slip that morning!
They also state clearly that in their report they only indicate things that will fail within 6 months, I sold the car over 2 years later and none of the things thay said were wrong except for the bearing plates ever needed to be replaced.
mmm interesting .. yeh i'll jst get a check up. Plus what ever work they do is overpriced i wud think. Il giv em a go see what they sus out
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the springs might be to low for the shocks maybe? and they pop out when the car hits the bump?
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My mate has a VN on super lows all round with proper shocks. My VR is lowered exactly the same. His bottoms out mine doesn't work that out.
VN has different rubbers under the springs, You could be running different tire sizes and he could have more weight in/on the back.
if both boots are empty the back of the vn shud be lighter lOl?:S
Depends, does the VN have a towbar? Does it have HD towing package from factory?
towbar alone adds 20odd kilos, and hanging off the very end of the car. I think HD towing pack adds something like another 30 kilos on top of that. Size/weight of spare tire comes into it too, as well as tools and assorted shit floating around in the boot.
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Well I will add to the complexity. I had cut superlow springs in the rear AND I have a tow bar. He has a 14 inch spare I have a 15 inch. Both will full tanks of fuel I can get into his driveway he can't without scraping. Hmmm. Both car's are also empty.
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