Lv 2 Dash problems
Ive got a series II berlina that came factory with the level 1 cluster.
I went down to the wreckers and put in a level 2 cluster, tacho works fine etc.
One problem, indicators don't work.
I had a read around on the forum and couldnt find this specific problem apart from reading:
"ive changed numerous s1 and s2 vn-vp dash's between one another and never had a problem, except a vn dash in a vp wont display the ;turn left indicator light..."
figured this doesnt apply to me because BOTH my indicators dont work and the cluster is going into a VN not a VP.
any ideas anyone? ive fiddled around with about as much as i can.
note: if it makes a difference which im sure it doesnt, the VN has a VP engine in it
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What year is the VN and what is the code on the bottom left of the cluster.
IB 92033601 is a L1 VN cluster with a code of 39485
KE 92038532 is a VP cluster with a code of 40688
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
im just reading fromt he sticker on the top of the cluster here because i couldnt see anything int he corner.Originally Posted by 88GreenVN
The cluster which has a tacho which i got from the wreckers has: IB GM part no. 92033601
The original cluster which came with the car & no tacho has: IE GM part no. 92033602
what can you decipher from this? lol
Thanks dude
i cant see where the 5 digit code is located? if you need that aswell
check and see if the bulbs are stuffed? i got L2 for my vn but never had issues but from 120 - 220 was dull, bulb was black but not blown, changed it and now all like new... or maybe take it back to wreckers and say its F@#$ed and get a replacement
nah bulbs are fine changed them aswell just to make sure. The indicators dont work on the exterior of the car either when the cluster is in.
wish i could take it back to where i got it, in fact i tried, but turns out pick pay n go have closed down and is now a scrap metal joint lol... very unexpected, all happened within like 2 days
haha wow thats suss and bad luck, goodluck with finding the issue and be sure to post up what it was
hah you're tellin me! was pretty pissed off though spent a good $35 on it aswell.
does it seem weird that it's not only the interior arrows working but also the exterior indicators? or is that how it usually goes... like if the globe was blown on the cluster indicator wouldnt work at all?
i didnt bother to check while there was no cluster in there to see if the indicator worked
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The codes = L1 and L2 VN lens's on the cluster.
What makes the globes go silly (not work as they should) is the bacing on the cluster. Flip upside down look left hand front = number in gold colour.
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
oh ok, well from what i can see now
The one with a tacho: 40689
The one without: 40688
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Those numbers say you have VN PCB's on the cluster. So if the globes are not blown and the indicators are not working the PCB on the cluster probably has a broken track on it. (that is the replacement cluster fails with blinkers but work on the original cluster)
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
if only i had stolen that multimeter from school...
from what i can see there are no major splits in the tracks, is it too risky to pull off the whole sheet of tracks to check it? am i likely to rip it?
well believe it or not got a new cluster, this one looks like its in much better condition, no obvious breaks in the tracks.
i put in a tacho from a vr to replace the crappy factory VN one as 88GrenVN once told me to do which works quite well.
moment of truth, put the cluster in the car and who wouldve thought, indicators dont work... again.
the new cluster i just put in was also a IE 40689 as apposed to the factory cluster that came with the car which was a IB 40688
Anyone got an idea? its really givin me the sh*ts and i cant go round with no indicators!
im sure people have done this very very simple mod before??
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the cluster is correct. Your wires will be wrong.
Check the pin out on the dash plugs.
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
what should i look for? like how do i know if its wrong or right?
sorry for asking so many questions. is this something i can fix? because those pins (i think what youre talkin about are the three big inputs attached to the car) dont pull out from the car. what should i do?
thanks heaps dude for helpin me out by the way
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Yes those plugs - give it a reasonable tug. Take note of the way it goes in. What wire goes top left as you look at it. The pin out on the back of the cluster will have the blinker number. This number is the wire number on he dash connector. C1 = orange and is on the left side. C2 = blue C3 = orange again.
Left blinker is light blue. C1 #10 or #11
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
i did notice one of the bottom pins on the far left socket is a tad wobbly, could this be it?
but why would it only not work with the new cluster but work with the old cluster?
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If the original cluster works and has the same pin out then the PCB is faulty on the cluster (green backing) or the globe is not seating properly in the socket.
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
im looking at them both now, and all the inputs are the same.
i did notice ONE thing different. on the cluster with the tacho, when looking at the back of it (the circuit board) the very far left globe.
on my original, there is no spot for this globe as there is no cutout for the globe to go in. could this mean im shorting something outwith my new cluster? and if i just take out this globe should be sweet maybe? i can give it a go later but thought id get an opinion first aswell
EDIT: taking out the extra bulb from the new cluster did not work. Indicators still don't work.
Last edited by joe seinfeld; 06-07-2010 at 06:27 PM.
i dont know what else to look for!!??
cluster ins are exactly the same, globe configuration is exactly the same, no obvious breaks??
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Convert the L1 PCB (the one that works) to take the gauges. Takes about half an hour to punch the holes though the PCB and scrap the backing off the copper trak where the nuts go in. Fit the working gauges to this cluster casr/PCB. This should solve your issue.
White 05 V6 VZ Executive - Thrashed Ex Telstra car
and 3 Dangerous non ABS VN's
will do mate, i'll let you know the outcome.
thanks for replying heaps of help
ok so im bringing up an old thread so everyone is gunna hate me, BUT,
i looked into modifying my existing cluster but it was just too much and i knew i would do something small that would ruin the whole thing.
My original one has the blue backing so it didnt look as easy as the ones with the green backing where you can see the three contact strips for the tacho and the fuel and temp.
anyway, what i want to do now is just install a really small tacho, like the really small ones oyu can just mount ontop of the horn so it sits there, about 2inch in size.
ive read around the how to's but everything really confusing with so many wires no workin properly or tachos that dont work properly with a VN (again its a VN with a VP engine), has anyone actually wired up one of these small ones and how??
thanks guys
project vp
just scrape the blue plastic off the l1 pcb its so easy i did it last week i replaced the level 2 cluster in my vp as the pcb was old and could not be repaired and i was wondering what to do with the good gauges so i scraped off the contacts and put the gauges in and they havent missed a beat
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