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    Default Help to adjust V8 timing to 14 degrees btdc ?

    Ive read the forums on here surrounding timing adjustment for the V8s. Ive looked at my distributor and put my left hand down and felt around for the adjustment nut. I cannot feel it. But I dont know what Im feeling for. Im not sure where it should be.

    Does anyone have a diagram of picture of how the adjustment nut is situated.

    Also it appears everyone agrees from previous forums a VP V8 engine is fine to run at 14 degrees BTDC with a factory tune. Is this correct ?

    Also I'm aiming to improve the fuel economy and assume this would help. My vehicle is not driven hard and spends most of its time below 2500 rpm. Has anyone got any feedback about economy or driveability after advancing the timing ? or any other suggestions?

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    For a stock EFI 304ci, power up the best place to start is a thorough tune up.

    Items required (in logical order).

    1/ Oil change - with filter.
    Go for a good quality oil. Perhaps a Nulon engine oil flushing agent is also recommended.

    2/ Fuel filter.
    This is located near the RHS rear axle & should be changed regularly to ensure good fuel supply.

    3/ Spark plugs.
    These need replacing fairly regularly in an EFI Holden. I'd recommend NGK BPR-6EF, gapped to around 0.95-1.0mm, or I have had recent succsess with the "non-resistor" NGK BP-6EF. I have heard this can interfere with some car sound/moble phone gear.

    4/ Air filter.
    Repalce this paper element. It is a cost effective upgrade to cotton panel filter that is cleanable. K&N is one that comes to mind - You may find a few extra horses as well.

    5/ HT leads.
    Although the std leads are fine, you will benifit from upgradeing to "spiral core" leads. Use at least 8mm thickness. If feeling generous go for 10mm, but these will only really benifit high HP cars. It's important to use the spacers well, and to keep them iscolated from the engine/chassis, which will minimise possible shorts.

    6/ Distributor cap & rotor button replacement.
    These items are a b***h to do, but the throttle response improvement is worth the pain if this has not been done for a while. Make sure you identify #1 cylinder, and connect the leads back in correct firing order, as to locate #1 cylinder is not a job for the amatuer.

    7/ Ignition coil & ignition controle module.
    Not an essential item, but is is worth replacing if this hasn't been done for a while. As it is in a bugger of a spot, perhaps re-locating it to the firewall is not a bad idea. The ignition control module can be a sorce of problems in the efi Holden V8. Sometimes these just go for no reason & give U a totally dead car. Often steam cleaning the engine bay can cause isses, so if U do this, perhaps cover the connections with a plastic bag or something to prevent this happening.

    8/ Cooling system.
    A poor cooling system will make the car run hot & rob valuable power. It is a very good idea to ensure you have a full cooling system, and no leaks. A cooler thermostat is not a bad upgrade either (say 170degF). Ensure the clutch fan is working, and free spinning once the engine is up to temperature. Lots of HP can be lost with a sticking clutch fan.

    9/ Throttle cable adjustment.
    There are lots of cars with very slack throttle adjustments. Often they can not open the throttle body fully in some cases. The cable adjustment is accesses by removing the 2 fuel rail covers (allen key), and removingthe wing nut from under the throttle body plate.

    10/ Faulty earth points.
    A fair amount of people often complain about unstable idle. After having this complaint also, it was discovered that a a short in the earth caused this. As the car relies on feedback from sensors to the computer, there is a high possiblily that either one of the sensors becomes faulty or the wiring earth is poor. One common one is the throttle position sensor (TPS), and the coolant temp sensor have the same earth. If both of these are not functioning correctly the car can think its under part throttle at idle etc causing it to run like a pig, use more fuel than std, and rob you of valuable HP. The main earth strap from the engine to the chassis also needs to be in good nick


    Your car will love you forever, and you would have restored any lost power over time.

    A compression check, and a base timing adjustment to 10deg advance are also things to do. Looking further, transmission & diff oil changes should not be overlooked either.

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    buy a workshop manual its been a will since i had a vp but there should be a nut on the left hand side of dizzy and its a v8 drive it hard

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    if you look down on the dizzy from the front the bolt will be at 10 o'clock. and if you take the engine cover off ur left side you will be able to get ur arm in easy and a spanner will have enough room to turn in the tranz tunnel. Also if you dont plan on towing at all you can simply adjust your kick down a notch or 2 for beter eco
    Last edited by stevo_mahony; 17-08-2011 at 12:42 AM.

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    yeah... running standard fuel? would go 12 as specification is 10
    fr premium probably higher but its the old adjust drive and listen for rain !~that will give you the correct adjustment
    too far and it will ping under different temperature conditions.... if unsure about rain etc just go 12

    the factory adjustment for 10 is also part to do with old dodgy emission laws.... 12 is probably slightly more efficient if driven like a nanna.....


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