need help with installing my vn calais coil packs and DFI module

[gottalovetheVN]

hi i am new to this forum and i need either help on how to install the coil packs and dfi module or can someone please come and do it for me as i will pay some money for someone to install it the proper way tho


thanks and hope anyone and everyone understood what i wrote

[m62vpute]

3 nuts underneth and 1 small bolt at the front where the loom connects. 5 minuite job tops, Usually takes longer to find the right spanner and socket in my toolbox.

If you have a series 1 coilpack and dfi then dith that and go to the series 2 that has 3x coils instead of the big square blocks.

[gottalovetheVN]

hi m62vpute i have tried to disconnect the battery before installing the series 2 coil packs and DFI module but the alarm starts to go off straight away what do i do now?? by the way it happends when i disconnect the positive or the negitive terminals

[Brett_jjj]

You dont really need to disconnect the battery to swap over the DFI modules or ignition coils.Just make sure that the igniton switch is off,but if you really want to disconnect it first,then there has to be a way of disarming the alarm system so the battery can be disconnected without the alarm going off,so maybe read the instructions for your alam system,or if you dont have them,you might find them online.

[mr calais 5.0]

Most after market alarms have a key turn off on the siren..

[gottalovetheVN]

ok here is what i have done so far

i have left the terminals on the battery and have installed the coil packs and dfi module but i havent turned the car on as yet cause i think i have my ignition leads on the wrong way and i may even have the coil packs on the wrong way

at the moment my coil packs are put on in this order : first coil pack 2/5) second coil pack 6/3) third coil pack 4/1)

can someone please give me a site on where to find in what order the spark leads go in on a vn calais or even just show me a pic would be very appreciative

[Brett_jjj]

Just follow the diagram in the pic below,( I know, shes a bit dodgey) and join coil 1 to cylinder 1 and so on with the plug leads.

[gottalovetheVN]

hi brett jjj,

thanks for that mate i really do appreciate it
i will do this tomorrow morning by the way is this diagram for a series 1 or series 2 vn calais engine???

i will let you know tomorrow how i go

[Brett_jjj]

Its actually for a VP,but all the V6's are the same when it comes to coil and cylinder numbers.
In saying that,I should mention that some early VN's had the 3 ignition coils all built into one single pack.The later type setup with the 3 seperate ignition coils, can easily be fitted to these single setups on early models along with the DFI module and bracket..I dont know if these early setups use the same coil numbers as the single type.The cylinder numbers will still be the same though..
What type are your VN coils?

[gottalovetheVN]

ohhhh ok now i understand abit more better

i have the 3 seperate type coils, from what i know of these type of coils are the series 2 i'd say

[Brett_jjj]

Yeah,seeing as you have the 3 seperate coils,Just follow the diagram above and it will be right.

[gottalovetheVN]

hey brett jjj,

i did everthing i was meant to do and i still have the same problem it still takes for ever to crank over i am thinking it is my crank angle sensor thats died what do you think???

[gottalovetheVN]

oh and i forgot to add as well that when having the car in parking mode and reving between 1500-2000 rpm i can hear a misfire and it misfires a far bit what could this be brett???

[Brett_jjj]

What are the plugs and leads like? Also the silicone type plug leads have a carbon core,and this core can be very easily broken if the leads are kinked or pulled too hard when removing them from the plugs.Once broken, they will cause misfiring etc and they cant be repaired.If the leads are not brand new,then thats what Id be trying next up,replacing the plugs,even if they arent that old,and replacing the leads.Or at least replace the plugs and borrow someone elses leads and test it with them fitted.Let us know how you get on with it.

[gottalovetheVN]

the spark plugs are brand new they are NGK i put them in about a month ago but the car hasnt been drive anywhere far its only done about 10ks since i installed the new spark plugs the spark leads are good and clean i think the brand is something like topsport or something but i know their not bosch or any other brand

by the way, brett jjj are you a machanic?????

i wont be able to check if its my spark plug leads until next friday or saturday cause ill have to buy a brand new set to do the test and by the way when i installed the spark plugs i put the gap from 1.2ml to 1.5ml, is it meant to be 1.5ml gap or more or less??

also what brand or sort of spark plugs leads should i buy if i want to get that quick spark????

[Brett_jjj]

I use NGK brand plugs,have done for years now, even in my bikes,and I have never had a problem with them.The plug gap is set at 1.5mm for these engines..seeing as the plugs are new,they'll be right,unless one was cracked when it was installed, which can easily happen too.. Next Id definitely check the plug leads.Do you have a multimeter?You can test the leads with a multimeter.If you have one I will explain how to test them with it.Na,Im not a mechanic.I have been fixing/servicing cars and trucks and bikes for over 30 years now though,so I guess you could say that I have picked up a thing or two along the way.

[gottalovetheVN]

oh yeah sweet its good to hear

yes i do have a multimeter and i have a fuse light tester

by the way brett jjj if this problem i have comes to be a crank angle sensor, would you be able to do it for me and only if you live in melbourne???

also do you think i should buy a set of spark plug leads or should i buy a crank angle sensor????

[gottalovetheVN]

i found out the problem with my vn calais,

its my crank angle sensor

is there anyone on here that can help me with this, i will pay between 50-100 for your labour and i will organise the crank angle sensor or if anyone on here sells them then please let me know asap please, thanks

i am located in melbourne if you want to help me out by installing the CAS for me then pm me for more details please

thanks nick.

[hi_ryder]

i found out the problem with my vn calais,

its my crank angle sensor

is there anyone on here that can help me with this, i will pay between 50-100 for your labour and i will organise the crank angle sensor or if anyone on here sells them then please let me know asap please, thanks

i am located in melbourne if you want to help me out by installing the CAS for me then pm me for more details please

thanks nick.

might be worth putting in a fresh harmonic balancer while your at it as the old one has to come off anyway to do the cas. depends how thrashed yours is and how many k's on it....

[gottalovetheVN]

hey mate,

how much would a new harmonic balancer cost??? i dont know how many k's on it but my cluster says nearly 400,000 km's on it

[WazzaVN]

Okay

I have had a similar prblem with my VP in the past. I replaced everything to try and fix it, plugs, leads, fuel pump, fuel filter, angle sensor and it didn't fix it. After doing all of this i took it to the mechanics and it turned out the whole computer needed replacing.

If it is your crank angle sensor make sure you buy a VR crank angle sensore and a VR harmonic balance. The VN and VP crank angle sensors are smaller and require a shit load of ajusting and ####ing around to get the too work, And once your balance hits the sensor they're ####ed. VR sensores are bigger and bolt straight and with no ajusting required. But MAKE SURE you get a VR harmonic balance too otherwise it will not work. The sensors cost around $80 new and the harmonic blance is about $200. I know the VR sensore and balance will fit a VN series 2 engine, but not too sure if the Series 1 is different but i'm pretty sure it will be fine, but you might want to ring a mechanic and double check anyway.

[Brett_jjj]

The VP gregorys manual says that if you want to change from an earlier adjustable type CAS, to the non adjustable type,then you need to change over the following parts to the later type- harmonic balancer,the timing cover,the plastic shield and the crank angle sensor itself..

[Hangman]

Be easier to stick with the VP one going by the above, timing cover, while not too hard, is a pain in the arse.

I've never had trouble lining up the balancer with the CAS. You can see the teeth (for want of a better word) on the rear of the balancer as it goes on, just gotta put it on a bit without going all the way and hitting the CAS and adjust the CAS so it all lines up.

Spewing you're in Melbourne, I'd do it for a carton.

[gottalovetheVN]

damm

im going to comm parts on newlands road in coburg either this saturday or the next saturday to buy the CAS but not sure about the harmonic balancer as yet,

so if anyone lives in melbourne and wants to give me a hand and make abit of money for themselves then let me know by PM ASAP thanks

by the way, how much does a ECU cost??

[m62vpute]

For the amount of work putting in a cas I would be buying a new 1 rather than buying a s/h unit, esp if you are not really able to do the job yourself anyway

ecu's are not dear 2nd hand prob $30 from a wrecker, the difference in using a 2nd hand ecu but not a 2nd hand cas is that to change the ecu is a 2 minuite job and is easy to swap out for another unit.