VP quickest V6 from VN-VY
ALright ppl's this is gonna piss a few ppl off im thinkin but ive been told that VP's are the quickest V6's from VN-VY models.... apparently due to power to weight ratio, and i know some of u VN series 1 owners would like to beg the differ but ive probably blown the doors off your VN in my 6 a few times, remember that white VP u ran? u do dont u!!!!! hahahaha
anyways im not tryna start fights here jus wanna know if its true and everyones feelings on this....
Discuss.......
THE ENFORCER!!!
depends what type of vn berlina exzecy series 2 would be understandable S and calais youll find will beat ya buy a bit as there lighter than any vp
I tend to agree with the Quick Vp theory, recently i havent had any trouble what so ever beating ppl off the lights and my baby is pretty much stock, apart from the exhust.
actually calais's are heavier than stock commo's 50kg's to be exact!!!!!
and yer ive raced many calais's n they arnt quick at all........
This is hardly a new thing for most people on here, but just to offer up a different view, you might want to check out this thread:
Quickest V6 - again
Although "seat of the pants" analysis between my VR and my dad's VP (both mechanically completely stock auto V6s) is that his is quicker off the mark and a bit more responsive than mine. And my car has way less k's and is mechanically in much better condition. Part of that may be because a Berlina with all the safety crap would weigh more than an Exec with nothing much added, and the updated gearbox in the VR might have some effect on that as well...
But between an VP and a VN which are mechanically identical - I'm not so sure.
Hay ppl yer ive got an vp series 2 v6 n ive beat a vt n was side by side with a xr6 ute 04 model, i think they hammer.
http://www.southgate.com.au/history.htm go read this stuff n all u VN owners will cry, same as VR VS VT VX and VY owners, VP's V6 stock out the factory will munch any other V6 model cept VZ down the qaurter, jus needed proof n here it is, cya later
i hate to be like this but i beg to differ in the max ellary manual it lists the weight and power of vn and vp vp is heavier but only has 2kw more. i will get the exact figures tonight, but i have a stock vn with cat back and k and n and it waxes most vps, just my opinoin though
0.3 of a second pffffft. it can never all be acurate
Brain function fading .
Have a think about it. VP had 2kw extra and 1 or 2 nm of torque, same diff ratio as VN SI and was heavier by between 50 and 90kg depending on model. Just looking at these figures shows that the VP could not possibly be as quick. The figures you posted are one of many sites which show Holden's claimed figures which were not achieved. Holden couldn't release a "new updated model" and list that it's performance was less than the previous model. Did you notice they deduct 0.1 of a second from the VN times.
VN or VP should always beat a VT and an 04 XR6 was not as quick as the first XR6s so would probably be close.
I could claim I have beaten an SS in a Mini if the SS driver was not going for it though.
What Suburb R U's From ? Cause Theres Only 1 Way To Find Out Whats Quicker. Ive Got A Vp N Will Race A Vn 2 Prove It ?
alright vn owners start moppin up them tears hahahaha,
1st of all im talkin stock outta the factory, but vn owners must be blind or sumn coz they didnt see that did u?
and second, vp's dont need CAI or EXhaust or nuttin like that to beat vn's and ill put my life on it that if i took out my diff gears, and CAI i would still munch all your VN's mmmmwwwwaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
and 3-) sorry that holden made em quicker i know its sad but its true, i know its hard to take in but the fact is VP's are quicker than run down VN's not too mention shit on them in looks! i say all vn owners buy a VP and get a mate or sumone to run u in your car and ull see the difference,
Im only speakin from expirience, ive only ever lost to a VN twice and thats cos one was a VNSS obviously bigger engine, and the other time, i ran a vn series 1 with exhaust (with extractors) CAI, chip, and yella terra head work and i still kept up, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! so dont tell me............
8 your 8's got a point, any takers...? im from melb, victoria, who wants sum?
Brain function fading .
I would have to mod my car same as yours first and the other problem is I live in Perth.
You sound like you have a decent car with a few simple mods.
I don't think anyone should post any more threads regarding this as it always turns into arguments. Every car is different and if you have not owned the car from new you don't know what has been done to it.
I put forward that if you drive a VP or VN and are happy with the performance, good on you, post the Fords you beat instead (just don't drive like a lunatic on public roads).
I wished I had never posted my very first thread regarding VN/VP performance as it has just lead to arguments. So I apologise to all.
I am sticking to giving advice when I can and hopefully receiving advice when I need it plus maybe the inane subject every now and then(or daily).
Having said that anyone is welcome to test my car for comparison, it is dead stock though.
[QUOTE=Pretender] The figures you posted are one of many sites which show Holden's claimed figures which were not achieved. Holden couldn't release a "new updated model" and list that it's performance was less than the previous model. Did you notice they deduct 0.1 of a second from the VN times.
so if Holden couldn't release a "new updated model" and list that it's performance was less than the previous model, why did they list that VR-VY arnt as quick down the quarter or 0-100km?
I Declare your argument shot down
excuses excuses............ anyone from melb wanna rumble? ill take out my spool and CAI for a day to prove u all wrong! after all took me 45 mins to put my spool in
Brain function fading .
Couldn't release? Didn't want to release is accurate as it may have effected the incredible sales figures of the VN as the new 4.0 litre Falcon was also being released.
Check the advertising for later models, it all concentrates on comfort, economy and safety not performance. This was saved for the "sports models"
Check your gun site as it looks like you missed. Check more than one website also if you want to get the full picture of the cars.
I give up, you win, this is purile crap.
Last edited by Pretender; 02-11-2005 at 04:08 PM.
VN S2 and VP share the same motor? The only other differences are minor cosmetic ones, i.e. bumpers, guards, boot garnish and interior fabric changes...
I'll see you on the next CCC cruise VIP-VPT
VIP-VPT, I'll gladly meet you mid way between Melbourne and the S.A border to sort this out
As mentioned above they are so close to being the same car it isn't really worth saying one is better than the other. There are just a few things different
VN has a camshaft with more lift
VP has a camshaft with more duration
VN is lighter
1990 VN has more radical timing on the memcal
VP has cast exhaust manifolds
VN has tube headers
The VN is older and likely to be a bit more worn
But on the average the VN will be quicker to 100 than a VP because it has more timing, more grunt at less revs (exhaust and camshaft) and it's lighter, if you have come across VN's with less agressive drivers than you or can't get traction due to cheap tires or just aren't in as good condtion or don't have the diff gears well then you are going to be quicker but the car itself at the very best is going to be equal, and more likely will be slower. I know it's a sad story but that's just how it is
wow this arguement is going to go on forever.. vn owners thinks vns are quicker vp owners think vps are quicker.. i got a mate with a stock standard vn that pulls 15.8 down the quarter... any1 else come close to that.. with slips to back it up.... and this is from a car that gets eatin by my veepee that has just a zorst... its too hard to pick.. so wat i say is stop racin eachother and get down to the track and smoke a ford.. makes u feel heaps better!
ive been wondering ever since i bought my car. its a VN berlina series 2, but it has a reco VP motor in it, with a catback sports exhaust. how would this run compared to a VP or a VN?
1995 Manual HSV Clubsport
Wade Cam :: 9.2:1 CR :: Pacemaker headers :: Twin 2.5" Exhaust :: VT Brakes
1991 Supercharged VN Berlina
9 PSI SC14 Intercooled :: Genie headers :: Twin cats :: HM Twin 2.25 exhaust :: 3.45:1 LSD
lol who knows its half vn half vp... might beat every1 from some of the reasonin people hav these days... it all depends buddy.. how well maintained your engine is.. wat kinda mods its got.. different crap like that
lol vn owners puttin reco'd Vp engines in em lol, why dont u jus buy one for god sake, and greenfoam, hit me up in a private msg and well meet up, jus cant wait to blow the doors off ur battered VN
smooth moderator
all i can say is they're both commodores. who cares which is faster, as i think it was pretender who said it, post up your wins over fords, not over fellow commy owners. i have beaten a few VP's myself, and i have a VN wagon?!?!?!?! much more weight, i have 2x 15" subs in back, heavy as box for them and all i have done to 290,000k engine is CAi, K&N panel filter and a good service. its all down to how you drive it, unless its a massive performance difference.
oh and about Vn owers putting reco'd VP motors in, good on em, theyre younger, better layout than S1 vn motors, and it was probably done when it was cheaper to drop in another motor than to buy a new or secondhand vp.
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