Welded Diff

[DAMO_5L]

yeah i have a welded diff under my vn 5L and just wanted to know what u 's think about them and if you know any web sites on how to do it cause i want to make another one

[mouce]

I think it's cheap, nasty and dangerous. Not to mention the fact that you'll get defected for it fairly quickly as you'll chirp the tyres around EVERY corner. It places extra strain on the half axles, and you'll **** your tyres up really quickly.

I wouldn't even do it to a farm bomb.

If you want better traction, get an LSD up ya.

[stocky]

arent they highly illegal and dangerous?

[HDT_aero]

i think they are great much better than paying $100 for a spool lol in fact theres no difference except you cant un weld a diff whereas you could if you wanted take out the spool...

as for the extra strain its the same as a spool

if you want to weld another just rip the centre out (keep everything in order and put it back exactly the same as you will destroy gears changing shims around since they wont mesh right)

but you just get the centre out and weld everything inside together as best possible... it doesnt matter if down the track the weld breaks cause you can alsways reweld it...

in fact if you really wanted you could just weld it while in the housing.

[gocommygo]

well what do we have here, the v8 wannabe hoon from my town... just buy a new diff $380+ for an lsd

[vt1538]

A welded diff & a wet road are not a great combination.Unless it was for a race track I would not be doing it.

[vn4play]

quote:"A welded diff & a wet road are not a great combination.Unless it was for a race track I would not be doing it."

i beg to differ a wet road and a locked diff is the best you can hope for i had a spool in my vn and used to love it when it rained. obviosly if you did not want to be going sideways you would not bother with a lock diff. but for the sideways driver i say "choki dori" rules. (big smokin fishtales out of a corner onto a straight)

by the way a locker is not used on a racetrack only for straight line drags. as any high speed cornering can let go of the back end. losing most corner speed.

jimbo

[VN-88]

welded diffs arnt bad if u like cherping and going swideways. my mate has one, there actually fun... but if u dont like that then dont do it, its that simple...

and not everyone has that kind of money for an lsd. i would have bought a new but instead got a half choosy second hand one

[fazz1977]

Get an LSD. End of story. Every person I know who's welded a diff (we used to call them a CIG diff) has ended up with a shagged diff, transmission etc...

[HDT_aero]

Get an LSD. End of story. Every person I know who's welded a diff (we used to call them a CIG diff) has ended up with a shagged diff, transmission etc...

thats not the effect of welding the diff thats the effects of the driver in front of it

like my mate for example had a spool (same thing) thrashes it and wonders why all the rubbers are going and why axles snap on him and why his tailshaft vibrates and clunks and why teeth shoot out the diff housing.... although his trans seems to keep going

[pathfinderus maximus]

your a stoooooopid idiot to have ethier a spool or a welded diff in a car that is street'd.

[STEALTHY™]

haha, all you LSD lovers. You's do know that technically any modification made after factory is illegal, so were all driving illegal cars whichever way you look at it.

LSDs are good, for the first few months, then they start to wear out. It'll cost over 500 to get an LSD rebuilt, if its just the diff. A tightly shimmed LSD works the same as a locker anyway, so you'll still cause extra stress on the ther components.....think about it!

The tyres losing tread is a load of bullshit! I've streeted a locked diff for say maybe 4 years now(welded diff in my VL, spool in my VP), and the only thing using tread is the inclanation to do more burnouts 'because you can'. if you drive it like its normal, you wont lose a single mm or tread, no matter what the un-educated will say.

If you buy everything 'new' the first time, you WONT have a problem, as i havn't. I bought brand new gears, new axles, and havn't had a problem since, and i don't puppy around either. Welding the diff will have problems, i've snapped many VL axles, but that was a burnout car. if your daily driving and just want to power slide every now and then, it'll last longer than an LSD.

About the Wet driving thing, if you drive normal (as if there was a cop sitting in the passenger seat with scissors ready to cut up your license) theres no issue. How can something thats so predictable be more dangerous that something thats not. you drop the clutch in an LSD car, it'll step out sideways, just as yu click 2nd, she'll be going straight, which isn't a good combo when your at an angle down the road. A spool will do the same thing, time and time again. hence the reason i swear by them. the cost is just not worth it, my diff all brand new cost about 1500, a KAAZ lsd is over 2000 for similar, and will wear out soon enough, yet my diff is fine.....


If your posting what your best mates uncles cousin tol you, then get out of the thread. theres very few people here with experience driving with both diffs in the same car, so until those people come in here, i wouldn't be believing much.

[vn4play]

your a stoooooopid idiot to have ethier a spool or a welded diff in a car that is street'd.

why? give me a reason why we are stupid? is it because you get mad when you see someone sideways? or is it you cant handle a locker or a spool around a wet corner? everyone to their own mate!!

jimbo

[STEALTHY™]

by the way a locker is not used on a racetrack only for straight line drags. as any high speed cornering can let go of the back end. losing most corner speed.

jimbo

Just for infos sake, The Brutes 'apparently' run full spools, but thats only going by my diff builder, who said he has supplied parts to a few teams before.

[bacon-n-eggs]

I have a mini spool on my VN, works a treat I must admit you do frett a bit when cops are behind you but yeah, go mini spool mate, top choice. Plus, think bout it; snakeys n fat LSD marks all over the road is the added bonus :P Oh yer, and you get quicker off the line too. :P

[vn4play]

yeah sorry mate you are right they do run them in the brutes

jimbo

[gumbs]

This is weird the people with brains actually beat the mini spool crew this time. And how can you honestly say that you haven't damaged your car stealthy take a read of your thread on streetcommos and it seems your car is off the road more than its on.

You do realise theres a reason they're a major defect? Sure for a burnout car or a drag car go for it. But not on a street car.

And if you can't afford an LSD stick with the single until you can afford an lsd.

[HDT_aero]

your a stoooooopid idiot to have ethier a spool or a welded diff in a car that is street'd.

when did i say on the street??? your the idiot if you were refering to me!!

[383 hatch]

Just for infos sake, The Brutes 'apparently' run full spools, but thats only going by my diff builder, who said he has supplied parts to a few teams before.

That is true, and every v8 supercar runs a full spool too.

[383 hatch]

As for the original question, if you want a locked diff put a mini spool in and do it properly!

For all the people who said locked diffs are illegal, any wheel over 17" on a commodore is illegal, but there are heaps of commodores with 18" and bigger. Most sports exhaust on a commodore will be too loud therefore making the car illegal, sports steering wheels are illegal. The list just keeps going, so next time someone says locked diffs are illegal think about the mods on your own car and i will bet most of them make the car illegal!

[Don Sutton]

A welded diff & a wet road are not a great combination.Unless it was for a race track I would not be doing it.

I agree, in fact I think that any body who has a welded diff and drives on the road particularly in the wet is risking the lives of other road users and himself. Under power with a aqua planning risk the vehicle can simply plough straight ahead when the vehicle needs to turn. Please put a list of roads up that you drive on so we can keep off them.

[Stewart1000]

yeah i say just save up and buy an LSD... and when they wear out does ti really cost $500... i thought they just put a new cone in or somethign like that, i dont knwo for sure

[VN_Luke]

I've owned cars with single spinners, lockers, and lsd's...

basically:

my torana with a locker in it was propably the most fun car to drive, particularly in the wet.... but that's all it was! After a few months with the locker i ended up breaking an axle...

single spinners are just single spinners... and get you around, though they can have some character.

as for the LSD.... it's definately the most expensive choice of the lot, but it's a good compromise... both wheels spinning, and still legal...

So far I've had the center tightened up twice, and i've had it for about 3 months.

It's about 100 bux or less for a tighten up..

I figure i'd much rather be doing watersports (in the right context, and places) with an LSD than a locker - simply because i'm still insured with an LSD.....

don't have anything against lockers, fun as to drive, just not something that's best suited to a daily driver....

plus think of the extra strain on all the bushes in the back end!

...
having said this, two of my friends drive commodores with lockers (one a 9")...

the 9" was done properly with new axles etc etc, has so far lasted about a year without any noticable damage...

the other is a VP with IRS that's been spooled - so far broken a whole bunch of wheel studs.

yay!

and as for replying to the original post:

yeah i have a welded diff under my vn 5L and just wanted to know what u 's think about them and if you know any web sites on how to do it cause i want to make another one

http://andypsionfan.users.btopenworl...f_locking.html

it's pretty much that, except instead of being epoxied, weld it.

[DioXidE]

i have a locker (well minispool) and it is sooo much fun to drive

[beefcream]

is it expensive to get a minispool or lsd? do u need a diff rebuilt?