lowering advice

[timmyscommy]

hey guys, soz its been ages since i have posted something but i just need some advice on lowering. i have done a few searchers are cant find what im after. ive got a vn wags and at the front its sits a good 3 and bit inches from top wheel to arch and on the back its bout 2 i recon. now the thing i wont know is how low will super super low kingys with new shocks? and the same with just super lows? i do wont it legal... so 100mm.. but dont know how low it will end up being. i was thinking super lows all round .. but not sure... i read somewhere is like 50mm from memory. does any one have any pics with super supers or just super kingys???
i know its gonna look weird on interceptor but i really wont the front to look alot better. cheers in advance tim

[TheIceman]

normal lows = just legal
super lows = illegal

[sircruisealotVS]

wtf are you talkin about iceman...superlows arent illegal!
they are well within the 100mm limit at the lowest point of the car, even ultra lows are legal when set right.
anyways timmy, heres a link to some pics of my vs with superlows all round.
cruisies vs

[timmyscommy]

cheers sircruisealotVS looks a good height.. it will look bit different cos i got interceptors. nice kit on ya VS by the way!!
anyone else with a wagon with pics?

[PaRaDoX]

normal lows = just legal
super lows = illegal

man thats total bs, im runnin all superlows and its no where near 100mm, its round 140mm

btw here my vn with all super lows, im getting ultra's rear tho (note 15" vn calais rims)

as i tell everyone who wants advice on lowering their car...

you WILL need a ajustable panhard rod to keep the diff center (dont reccomend a cheap one, i have a cheapo one and it comes loose, lash out and get the kmac one..)
pending on how low you go you'll need shorter shocks to compensate for the shorter springs... especially at the rears, if you dont it can be dangerous because the springs arnt locked in place properly and causes excessive bottoming out... ive got shorts fitted all round and its awesome,
you'll also need a GOOD wheel alignment and camber ajustment (if you have ajustable strut tops)
another think to take into consideration is look at the full car pic of mine... the rear end sits high, if u get a spring combo get either,

this is for sedans anyway

note, if u carry a full load it wont be as even, but superlows all round on vn's is just too high at the back

not that low :P
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Front - none
Rear - lows

can notice it
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Front - lows
Rear - super lows

dump'd
=D
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Front - super lows
Rear - ultra lows


hope this helps... dont believe people who say you dont need a ajustable panhard rod... YOU DO and if you dont get one within a week you'll get your diff pushing your muffler into your sway bar and the car will drive like SH*T, if your gonna do it... do it right

[TheIceman]

wtf are you talkin about iceman...superlows arent illegal!

from what i have heard superlows are like 2.5" lower than standard, you can only go about 1.5" before it can be defected. in my state any way.
had super lows in my VR, had it inspected for a roadworthy and didnt pass because it was too low, had to put standard spring back in for hte inspection and put the super lows back in afterwards.

[mattman]

You need 100mm clearance, thats all.. . and thats nationally.

Superlows leave around 140mm

[TheIceman]

You need 100mm clearance, thats all.. . and thats nationally.

Superlows leave around 140mm

well why didnt i pass the inspection? i would have had more than that, he measured from centre of my wheel to the bottom of wheel arch and said too low, go away and fix it then come back. thats the first thing he did cause he could see it was too low so he didnt waste his or my time with the rest of the inspection.

[mouce]

That isn't how they are meant to be tested. So the guy who did the test didn't know what the hell the rule was. As has been said more than once, it's 100mm to the lowest point of the car (and yes folks, that DOES include bodykits). Normally it's part of the exhaust.

[Full Spectrum]

I tell you what illegal was my car before i bought it

My brothers old EF was 100mm low.

[PaRaDoX]

well why didnt i pass the inspection? i would have had more than that, he measured from centre of my wheel to the bottom of wheel arch and said too low, go away and fix it then come back. thats the first thing he did cause he could see it was too low so he didnt waste his or my time with the rest of the inspection.

LOL wheel arch height, the reason they dont measure it that way is RIM size affects that, also every car is diffrent...
its 100mm from the lowest point of the car and yes i agree with super lows leave the car 140mm,
even with ultra's in the rear it is still legal,
anyway when did this because a debate about legal lowering heights just like every other post about someone asking for advice,
either post help / pictures so he can make up his own mind or keep your mouth shut, simple as that

hehe yeah mouce, i think when i slap my kit on i might break that law =P

then ill probbly invest in ajustable springs =D
hehe my cousin has them, everytime he has to get them tested he just rasises them from 80mm to 150mm =P and takes the 5.5" ricecannon off and slaps on his stocky 2" (turbosh skyline lol) takes 20 mins and a c spanner and bam stocky height =D

[timmyscommy]

thanks for all the advice guys... i decided to go the superlows with kingys.. im very happy and so glad i didnt go the ultra lows. ive posted some pics of what it looks like now. cheers guys

[mouce]

Unless you drive on gravel a lot, think about taking the mudflaps off. Getting rid of those make the car look a whole lot better. Just a thought.

[PaRaDoX]

nice man..
did u get a ajustable panhard rod or will we be hearing from u in a week? :P

[Full Spectrum]

thanks for all the advice guys... i decided to go the superlows with kingys.. im very happy and so glad i didnt go the ultra lows. ive posted some pics of what it looks like now. cheers guys

So that's superlow on the stocky cepters? i like that height it's not over low and not high.

[LowVp]

this is my ute on superlows but due to the back end being lighter it sits just a tad higher and stock panhard rod and my sedan as well on superlows also with stock panhard rod

[mouce]

If you lower it that much and you don't have an adjustable pan hard rod you're just asking for the wheel to rub on the guard.

[timmyscommy]

nah i didnt get a adjustable panhard.. guys who did it actually said they wouldnt even bother! but im gonna get one in next week tho and get the car serviced at the same time cos i can get it alot cheaper from somewhere else. and yes muddies are comin off!

[PaRaDoX]

low vp, with 18's ( i assume) im suprised the your probbly rubbing bad... a stock panhard rod on a lowered VN/VP will cause the diff to sit around 1" to the side (right i think) and why do burnouts with such nice big tyres :P thats what interceptors are for =D

yeah... the only problem is... guys who fit it arnt the ones who drive the cars... sure they test drive it.. but its only after around a week it becomes bad...

[sircruisealotVS]

without an adjustable panhard rod the diff will sit to the left and as soon as any weight is put in the backseat or in the boot you'll be scrapping like hell on the guards (sounds really funny in the wet though,lol) and not doin your tyres any good at all.

[TheIceman]

well here it is, direct from the RTA themselves.

In reference to your email regarding lowering of cars please be advised that the requirements to be met include retaining 2/3 of the available suspension travel and 100 mm ground clearance and that the tyres do not foul under any operating conditions.

Assuming your car is a VR-VZ sedan the minimum eyebrow, measured from the centre of the wheel up to the lip on the mudguard, is 379 mm for the front and 404 mm for the rear.

If any of the previous measurements are out of tolerance, a defect notice will be issued or registration will be refused until the time in which they are fixed and re-assessed.

well there you have it, direct from the inspection centre themselves, i was right. Notice the "and" in there, its not an "OR" its an "AND". so therefore making it not legal to lower a commodore any more than about 1.5"

[str8up]

Is that only for NSW? I think the rules may differ from state to state...?

[TheIceman]

Is that only for NSW? I think the rules may differ from state to state...?

VIC and SA, both states this vehicle failed to pass inspections due to height with superlow springs.

[sircruisealotVS]

all those conditions mentioned in the info from the rta is well within what you would have with superlows installed.
i still see no reasoning for saying superlows are illegal, as they are not.

[TheIceman]

all those conditions mentioned in the info from the rta is well within what you would have with superlows installed.
i still see no reasoning for saying superlows are illegal, as they are not.

why wouldnt they let me through???