VN vs VT

[coolvxss]

Just wondering what would win a drag. my mate has a stock vt and i have a stock vn. I was also wondering if my 5sp manual vn would rip a auto vn. mine is a 5speed manual and it seems to go alot better then the autos.

[stockvp]

to be honest i wouldnt know exactly but im gonna say the vn would beat the vt ive got a vp and ive eatin all of them, as for the manual v's auto i got an auto with stage 2 and unless you can change a gear as quick as an auto then you will, but otherwise the autos got you every time

[mouce]

The time difference between a VN manual and a VN auto depends on the driver. Someone who doesn't know how to drive a manual would be a lot slower than the auto where they can just mash the accelerator. If they know how to launch and change properly the manual just beats the auto.

As for the VN vs VT. In V6 form, the VN monsters the VT.

[coolvxss]

Well ive talked to alot of machanics and stuff and they all call autos sludge boxers. i was just wondering if it was true.

[stockvp]

well ive just had my auto fully rebuilt and it hammers with a nice oil cooler the transmision is one of the best because its hydraulic not electric so i be talking to actual trans mech they no for sure , thats not to say a manual isnt good cause in its own right its got it s advantages

[Doctor Sodways]

The Vn should munch the VT easily, mine did about a month ago when my mate had one of his dads VT, shouldnt have a problem in an auto, but with the manual, if you cant launch or shift efficiently, the VT will probably win

[stocky]

we had a thread a few weeks ago about this exact topic. it was a few pages long, and i think it was called "can a vt beat a vn". go find it.

now to answer youre questions. based on info i have seen in other threads -
1. VN will beat a VT easily
2. In a drag, the auto will be quicker

[stocky]

just found it -
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...ad.php?t=27949

[silver_bullet]

sweet now i no that a vn will beat a vt i can finally shut my mate up about his vt. i'll smoke him.

[stocky]

trust me. it wont shut him up. there are so many people that think that just cause their car is newer it is faster.

[Doctor Sodways]

I completely forgot that thread existed

[stocky]

AHHH my post count is 666!

but yeah, that thread is a great resource when arguing about VTs

[Full Spectrum]

Nothing against VT's (I might own one soon) but i think they were the slowest V6 of all from VN to VZ.

[stocky]

Nothing against VT's (I might own one soon) but i think they were the slowest V6 of all from VN to VZ.

yeah i think they are. pretty sure the 0-60 time was about 10-11 seconds

[1991_Vn2nV]

VT's were 9.1 seconds 0-100 where as VR's were 9.3 seconds. So the VR is the slowest of the commodores from VN to VZ. The VN S1 was 8.1 and the S2 and VP were 8.0 seconds for 0-100.

[mattman]

Is that redbook times or real times?

I'd like to compare figures of totally stock cars.. vt being faster than vr... i find that hard to beleive...

[Mr Squiggle]

Yeah, impossible
It must have been a bad review of the VR that one everyone quotes, VR go about the same as a VP(little bit slower). The thing with these reviews is that you don't know how much wheelspin they got etc. A VN series one is faster than a VP no question about it but the popular reviews that are around on the net don't show this. The order of speed is pretty simple.

VN-VP-VR-VZ-VS-everything else is about the same slowness-

[klaka]

I raced a 5 speed Vt s pac,
In my 5 speed Vp Exe and I flog him
both stock

[1991_Vn2nV]

VR Commodores are only 130kw and they're still the Buick V6, not the Ecotec, but with the same body as a VS which is heavier than the VN and VP bodies. Plus the electronic throttle control lets the VR down in shifts. The shifts are smoother, not as hard and 'primitive' as what you get in the VN. I've seen a stock VP drag a stock VR with a 2.5 inch cat back exhaust and the VP won pretty easy.

Why would a series 1 VN with 125kw be faster than a series 2 with 127kw and an extra 2NM of torque? Its not much but thats basically the difference.

[Doctor Sodways]

The VR arnt that quick, my mate had a VR with a mild shift kit, (still chirped into 2nd) Pacemaker headers, 2.5inch exhaust, cold air intake, k&n filter, and roller rockers and i still beat him, he was gaining on me, and i didnt beat him by as much as i did prior to the roller rockers, but i still beat him. A VN should have a VT easily

[1991_Vn2nV]

The figures for the VR commodore being 0-100 in 9.3 seconds are from Wheels in September 2003. I've also seen 0-100 times of 9.2 seconds for the VR from elsewhere. Official figures from Holden state the VT Commodore as 0-100 in 9.1 seconds:
Holden Commodore VT
Year of Introduction: 1997
Engine: 3.8 litre ECOTEC EFI V6 ; 3.8 litre Supercharged V6 & 5.0 V8 EFI
Power: 147kW (V6) ; 171kW (Supercharged) & 179kW (V8)
Transmission: 5 speed Getrag manual & 4 speed Turbohydramatic
Performance: 0 - 100 km/h 9.1 seconds (V6) ; Standing 400 metres 16.3 seconds (V6)
Production: 280,000
Price: $28,330 inc. GST
Wheels Car Of The Year 1998

VT Commodore has 10.28kg per 1kw and a VR has 10.47kg per 1kw. Not much difference, but it still backs up the figures considering theres only 2 tenths of a second between the 2 cars anyway.

[mouce]

Why would a series 1 VN with 125kw be faster than a series 2 with 127kw and an extra 2NM of torque? Its not much but thats basically the difference.

Just because it's got the extra power doesn't mean that it's usable. The VNS1 makes it peak torque fairly low in the rev range meaning that you can pull using higher torque for longer. While the S2 does have slightly better figures, if you look at how much time you can use them for, you'll see that the S1 will get up and boogie a little bit faster than the S2

[1991_Vn2nV]

Ok. I admit that the S1 is fractionally quicker off line, but the S2 would win 0-100 and down the quarter. In my opinion anyway. Holden Australia says 8.1 0-100 and a 15.7 quarter mile for the S1 and 8.0 0-100 for the S2 with a 15.5 quarter mile.

Either way theres shit all difference. The S2 has slightly more power and torque, but the S1 gets it torque 400rpm earlier.

[tysons_2001]

i dragged a stock vt a few weeks ago and won by a few car lengths.
My car only has cai and catback exhaust and alot of weight in the boot while the vt was empty.

[spice weasel (BAM)]

I have a vx s pac 5 speed manual and i completely munch vn's and vp's

I would say who wins depends on the driver more than the car considering all the commies have been pretty similar for so many years.

Just my humble opinion