List of cheap go fast cars

[foammedia]

Ok I want to make a list here for all us poor VN/VP crowd. This is what I want to find out. Every single car that can be bought for under $5000 and can do under 15 seconds on the 1/4 mile with less than $1000 extra spent on it.

Obvious ones are
VN V8 Executive manual and auto
VN V8 Berlina manual and auto
VN SS manual and auto
VG V8 UTE manual and auto

VP V8 Executive manual and auto
VP V8 Berlina manual and auto
VP SS?? manual and auto, might not find this one for the price
VP V8 Ute manual and auto

Not sure if the VR V8 has reached 5 grand yet

Holden HK-HG chev and 308's manual and auto
Holden HQ-HZ chev and 308's manual and auto
Torana LH-LX 308's manual and autos
LC and LJ's I think are too collectable now but you might get lucky

Ok lets see some ideas, what Fords that can do the job I know you could get a XA-XC that quick for the money but post something because I'm a bit bored

[1991_Vn2nV]

If you have $5g to spend you could easily by a VN V6 and have it running under 15 seconds down the quarter surely?

[foammedia]

Perhaps but I don't see it being done. If you bought a good one for two grand and got a big cam in it and a good exhaust it should do it

[mouce]

Damn...throw two grand at the car and then throw a CRS charger on there and it should do it shouldn't it?

[bush_basha]

but why would you want to do that to a 6, at the end of the day its still only a 6. and an 8 will easily beat it with the same amount spent on it!

[stocky]

but why would you want to do that to a 6, at the end of the day its still only a 6. and an 8 will easily beat it with the same amount spent on it!

you can use that logic for any type of engine.. why spend money on a 4 cylinder when you can spend the same money on a 6 and have a better car?

some people just prefer the v6

[Pretender]

If the HK - HZ were still stock, including the 350, you would need more than $1000 to get under 15 eg HG 350 manual 0-400m = 16.1, HQ = 15.9. Then again maybe not if you install a cam and carby yourself on the 350.
The 308s were in the 17s and even 18s (manual + auto) with the Statesmans in the 18s.
Any one of these cars bought today would have mods and in that case you could do it for a grand.
How much improvement would you get over the 400m if you ran a 4.11 diff in a VN/VP V6, does anybody know?
I remember a car mag doing this to an XF and it dropped a full second off it's 400m time (down to 15.2) and 37Km/h off it's top speed.
I have read recently people are paying $600 for Pintara diffs (4.11) to be fitted to both Fords and Holdens as a stop gap until they can afford the "strong" diff or to see if they can live with the ratio before paying out big money. Don't know if it's true but was on three seperate sites.
I have no idea myself if this would work with a fairly stock V6 so feel free to put me straight. It's sometimes hard to stop wheelspin with the 3.08 diff so might be too difficult with the 4.11.

[foammedia]

I never ment a stock HK-HZ but it's very unlikely you will find one for sale these days that is slower than 15 seconds. My brother owned a HJ Monaro about 10 years ago that was almost 100% stock 308 turbo 400, it only had big tires, extractors and dual exhaust and maybe a bit of advance on the dizzy and it run 14.8 and that was with wheelspin, that car may have had a cam in it but that's how he bought it (cams for 308's are cheap anyway). It costs 3000 to to get a VN V6 with a supercharger legal so it's unlikely you can do that for 5 grand.

Years ago they did an experiment with a brown torana hatchback in some magazine, stock 308, they gave it some 4.11 diff gears and a high stall, changed the angle of the rear trailing arms so it hooked up and it ran in the 13's with no other mods, anyway what other cars can we add to the list ?

[Pretender]

My brother owned an auto HQ 4 door Monaro 308 with a cam, extractors and Holley carby that had a best of 14.6.
How about a Z/ZZ Gemini with a V6 VN motor and auto. For sale about 18 months ago for $4500 fully licensed and engineer approved. The owner said it was good for mid 13s. For around five grand you could put one together and it would have to be able to run a sub 15 with a stock motor. Is this too far off track?
Strictly with a $1000 budget on modding a car, if only Holdens are included, I would say you just about have it covered.
Maybe a Torry 173-202 with a $1000 secondhand turbo and headgasket(new)fitted yourself.
Or maybe just buy your Lexcen for $2000(?) and use $1000 for a good exhaust and a diff from a VL Turbo.

[foammedia]

Any car can go on my list , I wasn't talking just about Holdens, A Ford EA manual for example, well you can buy them for less than a grand!: ) 5 grand will get you deeeeeeeeeep into the 14's.

My Lexcen might scrape a 14.9 with a good exhaust on it and diff gears, MAAAAAAYBE it would be a close thing.

You can also buy VL Turbos for 5 grand sometimes. Although the prices seem to be getting higher again now

[1991_Vn2nV]

well a S2 VN stock ran 15.5 seconds down the quarter...chuck in some 3.7's or 4.11 diff gears and a decent exhaust with extractors...maybe CAI..you'd be pretty deep in the 14's with that wouldnt you? And with decent, stock as a rock VN's going for $2,500, it gives you a fair bit to play with.

[Pretender]

XD 351, XE 351 just with carby and exhaust are well into the 14s.
There are a few converted LJs & LCs with 308s around. Noticed one for sale about two months ago, lic and not running for $2000. Might get it running or a secondhand motor for $1000.
Charger 265 manual (3 or 4spd) add E49 cam and 500 Holley should be under 15 but you would have to fit the cam yourself.
I just remembered another car I saw for sale twice in 12 months. Subaru Brumby with a RS Liberty motor with STI mods and a timeslip for 12.8. It was $5500 but the first owner said he would take $5000.
Then there is the RS Liberty sedans and wagons. You see some every now and then under $5000 and if they are running well you don't need to do anything.
There are a lot of older modded cars to be had for under $5000 that may be under 15 already. VH, VK, VL, earlier Falcons etc.
This car wouldn't be under 15 but it shows one way of doing it. My first wifes Uncle bought a smashed, arse end, EL XR6 from auction for $3200 and an EB sedan for $900 from the local paper and swapped everything mechanical into the EB himself. He said he only spent another $300 for gaskets, oil etc and updated his rego details for $9.00. It works like that here in WA, same size motor all emission gear in place and it's fine. It is all there but he just told them it was and they accepted it without any checks and he just signed a statement to that effect.
He sold the EB auto box and motor for $450 so it came back under the $1000 spent.

[foammedia]

Yep you can do that in Victoria as well, if it's a motor of the same family but a later version you can bolt it straight in, no problems. You wouldn't need an engineers certificate for an EFI 5 liter into a early Commodore or any other Holden that ran the Holden V8 for example (pretty sure anyway)

[nawid]

hey guys....my 308 vn has 260,000 on the clock..um she has a pod filter ..etc,...i think its been chipped..um think extractors...adn 2 n Half inch exhast...any more power? cheap power with out turbo or supercharging it...nd does an lsd make your car faster? lol....or beta take offS?

[Pretender]

I know here in Perth that any car can be fitted with a motor of the same capacity and type as was released in that models entire range for the same year. You do have to update brakes and suspension if they were also different. Makes sense.
Lexcens are not allowed to be fitted with V8s unless you have an engineers certificate even though they know it is a Commodore or so they told me.
Mental note to myself, I'll just keep an eye out for a Torana Hatch and a wrecked VN or later V8.
My Daughter wants a Torana so maybe, if I have the funds, I'll accidently buy one as well and tell my Wife and Daughter that it is for spare parts for her car but she can't touch it.

[foammedia]

Yeah V8 into Lexcen is a no no. Since it's a Toyota going by the book . Torana hatchbacks are starting to be worth alot of money now, so if you are going to buy one better be quick. You know what will happen if Holden bring out a new one, you'll start seeing SS ashtrays on ebay for 500 bucks like the HG Monaro GTS cluster I saw for 500 the other day. I gave one away only about 5 years ago :P

[Pretender]

I find myself checking the classifieds more and more for a hatch and there are seldom any for sale. It might be too late already but surprises turn up every once in a while.
There are actually far more GTR and GTS clusters than there ever were cars.
Not just including Holden's replacement parts either. I think Speco used to make one for the Toranas though I can't be sure.
I might start making the SS ashtrays. I had one once from a wreck at the local tip.
I do have a chrome ashtray from an FB in very good condition which is surprising because it was in a wagon with no roof that we drove around the bush for two years before it died.
I had a Holden X2 keyring some yeas ago. Don't know where it is now though but I have been told they were/are very rare.

[bush_basha]

hey guys....my 308 vn has 260,000 on the clock..um she has a pod filter ..etc,...i think its been chipped..um think extractors...adn 2 n Half inch exhast...any more power? cheap power with out turbo or supercharging it...nd does an lsd make your car faster? lol....or beta take offS?

the 5L efi are 304's not 308, just so you no.

[foammedia]

I find myself checking the classifieds more and more for a hatch and there are seldom any for sale. It might be too late already but surprises turn up every once in a while.
There are actually far more GTR and GTS clusters than there ever were cars.
Not just including Holden's replacement parts either. I think Speco used to make one for the Toranas though I can't be sure.
I might start making the SS ashtrays. I had one once from a wreck at the local tip.
I do have a chrome ashtray from an FB in very good condition which is surprising because it was in a wagon with no roof that we drove around the bush for two years before it died.
I had a Holden X2 keyring some yeas ago. Don't know where it is now though but I have been told they were/are very rare.

The only rare parts I have left is a full set of chrome strips from a Torana hatch, a HJ GTS steering wheel and a set of HQ GTS rims that are on my rusty old HQ in the paddock

[daves8]

Ok I want to make a list here for all us poor VN/VP crowd. This is what I want to find out. Every single car that can be bought for under $5000 and can do under 15 seconds on the 1/4 mile with less than $1000 extra spent on it.

Obvious ones are
VN V8 Executive manual and auto
VN V8 Berlina manual and auto
VN SS manual and auto
VG V8 UTE manual and auto

VP V8 Executive manual and auto
VP V8 Berlina manual and auto
VP SS?? manual and auto, might not find this one for the price
VP V8 Ute manual and auto

Not sure if the VR V8 has reached 5 grand yet

Holden HK-HG chev and 308's manual and auto
Holden HQ-HZ chev and 308's manual and auto
Torana LH-LX 308's manual and autos
LC and LJ's I think are too collectable now but you might get lucky

Ok lets see some ideas, what Fords that can do the job I know you could get a XA-XC that quick for the money but post something because I'm a bit bored

Just a quick (probably stupid) question.....

Why would the vn v8 berlina be on that list and not the calais???

They would be pretty similar in spec and weight right????

[stocky]

calais do weigh a bit more, and they also cost more too

[foammedia]

Yeah if you asume a slightly modified VN or VP V8 Auto Executive will run 14.7 the Berlina might make 14.9 but the Calais wont be under 15 and yep it also costs more to start with

[Pretender]

http://www.gizmag.co.uk/go/4737/ for a retro Holden. I have not seen this before.
For something completely different I'm looking for info on the Wasp a 3 wheeler bike (two front, one rear) with a cabin lic as a car to see if they can be had for less than $5000. With the 1100cc motor they were able to do mid 13s over 400m. I think they were made in Perth and look similar to the attached photo. Can't find any info anywhere but I read of one for sale about three years ago for $4000 unlic and with no motor.

[RVN 355]

Ok I want to make a list here for all us poor VN/VP crowd. This is what I want to find out. Every single car that can be bought for under $5000 and can do under 15 seconds on the 1/4 mile with less than $1000 extra spent on it.

Obvious ones are
VN V8 Executive manual and auto
VN V8 Berlina manual and auto
VN SS manual and auto
VG V8 UTE manual and auto

VP V8 Executive manual and auto
VP V8 Berlina manual and auto
VP SS?? manual and auto, might not find this one for the price
VP V8 Ute manual and auto

Not sure if the VR V8 has reached 5 grand yet

Holden HK-HG chev and 308's manual and auto
Holden HQ-HZ chev and 308's manual and auto
Torana LH-LX 308's manual and autos
LC and LJ's I think are too collectable now but you might get lucky

Ok lets see some ideas, what Fords that can do the job I know you could get a XA-XC that quick for the money but post something because I'm a bit bored

I know a VNSS is pushin it for 5 Grand and there quick for the price. Look into the Nissan ET,Nissan Exa $3000 spend $2000 and ull do fine,that little E15 has some poke for a 80's 4cyl turbo car. Import Supra not going to make the cut but there a nice import. Vn- Vp or VR v6 dont expect high numbers without $$$. I know petrol is a bugger so Im sure the 308 Toranas and old School Holdens Ie Vk's would cost u a bucket to run

[Cheap6]

Pretender: Off subject a bit so apologies to others. Love three wheelers. The way fuel is going, the time seems right for them now too. Can't provide info on the Wasp but remember a news article in (now defunct) Sportscar World on it in early '80s, which I still have somewhere but not to hand . When I can next access it I'll see if it has anything useful.

Love the T-Rex (in the photo, for everyone else) and Grinnall Scorpion. VW had better produce the GX3 in right hand drive so that I can buy one .