VN-VP can't do 15's in V6 Auto's Stock. Ever

[Full Spectrum]

Just over in the Australia Ford Fourm having it out with a bloke about VP's V6's.

off the line they are quick yes, they develop torque in the VN's right off idle till 3800rpm then have nothing and sound like a strangled cat

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He thinks they are rattle cans slapping cans and boat anchors.
Here is one of his quotes.

the V6's feel quick as they are harsh/and unrefined compared to the smooth power delivery of the I6 fact is I6 is better balanced hance the smoother feel what feel and what is layed down in numbers is completely different story, as for a STOCK v6 auto ever running a mid 15 PFFT right never EVER have i seen one at willow run that and i have been when plenty have raced mostly do 16.2-16.4 so get your own facts straight SLICKHOLDEN.

Has anyone in here ran a 15 with a V6 auto stock VN-VP anyone at all?.
If anyone is intrested in dropping in with some fact times you can catch it over here http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...8&page=1&pp=25

I thought the conversation was going well untill a couple of shit diggers come in.

[aokman]

What a bunch of wankers, i beat a BA XT with ease and that was before i got the cam. The only ford i like is the XR6 Turbo, the rest are crap bar and old school mustang

where did they get that 3800rpm figure from, lol, the buick keeps hauling till like 4700rpm, mine goes to 5500rpm.

[Full Spectrum]

But you know the hard thing you cant tell this guy a thing because he just thanks it's all crap coming from a guy who drives a holden.
My brother was done by a VP and wasn't impressed about it, He said just as he was starting to close the gap very slowly it was over.
But as for the VN-VP never running 15's is so much crap cause they do even today. I have taken it right up to VN and VQII V8's and been so happy that I'm still with them i know these cars a fast but over that way they just have maybe 3-5 of them that just hang shit and i don't like that because it's bagging one to make the other appear better thats not the way to prove it.

[Doctor Sodways]

Ive been watching that thread in their forum, its a funny read to see what they think, and the reasons they give as to why the VN/VP era is so bad, speed wise, handling wise, well, everything, and why the falcons are so much better. A mate of mine had an EF farimont ghia, for those that dont know, they come with the XR6 driveline, with the luxury interior. That had some headowrk done, saloon car cam, the stock 3.45 diff ratio, exhaust, extractors, and some other gear done to it, and the quickest it ran was a 15.5odd at AIR, the falcons arnt quick by anymeans, and the commodores arnt either, but the falcons take a bit more to get more speed out of

[Full Spectrum]

Ive been watching that thread in their forum, its a funny read to see what they think, and the reasons they give as to why the VN/VP era is so bad, speed wise, handling wise, well, everything, and why the falcons are so much better. A mate of mine had an EF farimont ghia, for those that dont know, they come with the XR6 driveline, with the luxury interior. That had some headowrk done, saloon car cam, the stock 3.45 diff ratio, exhaust, extractors, and some other gear done to it, and the quickest it ran was a 15.5odd at AIR, the falcons arnt quick by anymeans, and the commodores arnt either, but the falcons take a bit more to get more speed out of

Yeah i thought i spotted your name over there too.
With them i guess it's put down enough to make the other seem worse when really it's to make the other as bad so it doesn't make the VN-VP in this case seem as good.
I think for cars that are 15-18 years old they are very fast. Still arguably the fastest V6's holden has made. Some are harsh sounding and some arnt, Some kill petrol and others don't.
But it wasn't a bad chat until a couple came in to make it a shit on chat, And it was funny they tried to label me as a FanBoy by saying i was very loyal he will give me that.. My honest and trustful answer was this.... Loyal to my car that took blood sweet and tears and more then anyone will ever know to get. And thank you.

I don't like people that hang it on just to make themselves feel better and thats why i get involved in things like that, I have had massive fights with people who have bagged fords also I'm a holden man but i cant stand it when people bag for fun, This was a bunch of overseas tossers i really didn't like what they had to say because they don't Even live here and knew nothing of the cars here it was just shocking.

But there is nothing worse then when someone tell you your car is a crap box It's like a red towel to a bull if it;s a crap box maybe fair enough but respect a man vehicle

[VLDavo]

maybe like real high 15s but never been in a stock vn/vp v6 thats done anything lower......jus my opinion id never buy a v6 jus never liked em......ill stick to my straight 6s and bent 8s

[SlowVac]

Another question is to ask quick are the EA's/EB's.
Talking about a 15-17 year old car was designed for that particular era. Discussing and comparing to a modern car are totally different.
Definately at that time holden was more reliable and better quality car then the EA and EB.

[Full Spectrum]

maybe like real high 15s but never been in a stock vn/vp v6 thats done anything lower......jus my opinion id never buy a v6 jus never liked em......ill stick to my straight 6s and bent 8s

Would a TTV6 sway you at all ever

Another question is to ask quick are the EA's/EB's.
Talking about a 15-17 year old car was designed for that particular era. Discussing and comparing to a modern car are totally different.
Definately at that time holden was more reliable and better quality car then the EA and EB.

Back in the day when the VP and EB were tested i cant find a EA VN test, The VP was just ahead of the EB, And they said which is so funny now that then the I6 was loud and harsh.
The one guy in there who says VN-VP's aren't much other then a boat anchor drives a pretty hotted up V8 and he beats stock V6's

[aokman]

Sounds like they cant drive either if they cant handle a VN, they rekon a VN handles like crap, i was chasing a r33 NA up donna buang and i could easily match him in corners with stock FE2 and LSD.

Sure the VN/VP has its faults but less than the crap alloy heads on old fords.

[flyen]

since lowering my vn the handling is a bit better
but the rear end just loves to snap out on me
and when ever you try to take off, well BYE BYE tyres
so there is plenty power there, but NO TRACTION

[aokman]

since lowering my vn the handling is a bit better
but the rear end just loves to snap out on me
and when ever you try to take off, well BYE BYE tyres
so there is plenty power there, but NO TRACTION

I see you have a group a bar on yours aswell, the old one i had didnt use the rear reinforcement bar, if yours doesn't see if you can put it back on as it makes the ass end much stiffer and handle better

[flyen]

doesnt feel any different from when i got the bar put on
its always been a handfull to take around a corner

mabe its just my driving style lol

[Full Spectrum]

That's manly the reason why I'm looking forward to lowering the car soon. Just a little extra handling I'm after but extra stiffness when the the big bounce corners come.

Actually i was shocked to find one of the changes from VN to VP was a wider track i had no idea?.

[Patrio7]

personally i only agree with the guy on that the I6 is smoother [ or feels like it ] in retaliation i think it isnt as quick on the revs where our beloved sixs go when you tell them to, making a ford a great "cruisin" mobile where if i wanted to do some cornering work i want it done in my holden. i dont care about drags but i think in a cat n mouse race the holden would come out on top for its responsiveness

[foammedia]

Hey man I just woke up, so that's the funniest thing I've read all day

[Full Spectrum]

I just recored this going on the highway. The quality isn't the best but it is from a mobile phone on the dash vents
Pulled the entrance to the highway went around went into 2nd i didn't want it to kickdown @ 30kp/h so i was gentle till 45 then planted it hard and it rev-ed to 5000rpm.
I'm not really sure how to post it but I'll post both of them in a zip file, First is the highway trip and the second is kickdown to 1st off the highway passing a car Hoon alert
And this is a VP Commodore V6 auto stock only mod if you would call it a mod is a pod filter and one of them rice looking little exhaust mufflers out the rear, It's small cheap and i think hurts performance more then helps, But it's cheap sound when cruising until i get the $$$ for the 2.5" System.

Hey man I just woke up, so that's the funniest thing I've read all day

Your hours are like myn
I told them about your V6 it just was ignored because it was to fast

[Doctor Sodways]

On the "how quick are ea's" note, another mate has a 91 EA, with an EF motor in it, now you would think that a motor designed for a heavier car that has more power in a lighter car would be quick, but, its not. It has a CAI, satinless intake pipe, extractors, exhaust, and a lighter body but my car still destroys it. At around the 140 mark it starts to reel me in, but before that it has nothing.

On the handling note, mine with FE2 isnt too bad, since lowering the rear end its better, but i need to balance it with some front end work. The VNs are damn taily, especially with the LSD rear end, lowered, its more controlled but still too tail happy

And slick, yeah i noticed you over there as well. There are a few people that use both JC and FF.com. Bax is there as well i think

[minux]

I agree with what they are saying, the Ford I6 does deliver power alot smoother, it just takes longer to deliver it. With Falcons, changing diff gears makes the car come alive. But i also agree that at around 3800-4000rpm the buicks do drop torque.

[Full Spectrum]

On the "how quick are ea's" note, another mate has a 91 EA, with an EF motor in it, now you would think that a motor designed for a heavier car that has more power in a lighter car would be quick, but, its not. It has a CAI, satinless intake pipe, extractors, exhaust, and a lighter body but my car still destroys it. At around the 140 mark it starts to reel me in, but before that it has nothing.

On the handling note, mine with FE2 isnt too bad, since lowering the rear end its better, but i need to balance it with some front end work. The VNs are damn taily, especially with the LSD rear end, lowered, its more controlled but still too tail happy

And slick, yeah i noticed you over there as well. There are a few people that use both JC and FF.com. Bax is there as well i think

My brother sold his EFII Fairmont with 5 speed XR manual and XR LSD, Was faster then his new BA Fairmont. Kicked his wife mums AU III easy. But he always said there was something about that car that wasn't stock he always said it had something more then standard. It ran more like 180kw. But you get them rare cars on both sides, A bloke over in the FF.com owned a VP manual and said it was the best car he had and it haunts him to this day that he got rid of it, Stuck it on the Dyno and it came up with 120 RWKW, And he said it wasn't touched.

But they are alright over at FF.com but there is some that just hate it's sad.

I agree with what they are saying, the Ford I6 does deliver power alot smoother, it just takes longer to deliver it. With Falcons, changing diff gears makes the car come alive. But i also agree that at around 3800-4000rpm the buicks do drop torque.

Didnt you here my car pulling 5 grand? into 3rd?.

[foammedia]

The VN V6 is pretty gutless over 4500 rpm BUT I'd take a bet on a VN V6 being quicker to Fords 185 limiter than any EA-AU, pretty safe to say the BA would pull away after 140 or something

[Full Spectrum]

I'd believe that my brothers BA is pretty slick on the freeways pulling 150kp/h in 2nd with plenty more in it.

[PaRaDoX]

i dragged one of my mates in that forum... BULLSH*T the v6's loose power after 3800 rpm......

i dragged a EB series 2, lsd, high flow exhust (full system), rebuilt (with good parts) tranny, 3/3 times i won... 0-80km/h, second was 60-160hm/h, 3rd was 0-120km/h... he wanted to test a rolling start because he thought EXACTLY as most of em do... fact is the v6 just looses most of its torque in the high end... never lost to a ford so far... sif inline 6 be better.. maybe better as a anchor... i mean those things must weigh a bloody ton aswell lol...

another eb off that forum who had a "168kw" XR6 engine.. he got it dyno'd a WHOPPING 80rwkw... that was a good laugh...

just for refrence sodways, vn's like to sidestep UNLESS you have some phat 17" rims on them... then they handel alot better, as for lowering and loosing control i have to disagree... since i lowered mine it dosnt slip out asmuch... still need wider tyres, my brothers got 17x7.5" rims on his... its hard to spin the wheels... its the fact that they came with 14" stockies and most people who brought them fitted crappy tyres with no walls , this combined with a touchy accelerator and inconvient kickdowns with the auto's it can be dangerous..... its bad when your going up a hill and you apply a bit more throttle... and it kicks down... your spinning the wheels unintentionally and before you realise it the rear wheels are slipping out... *adds 17" rims to shopping list*

[Full Spectrum]

I just don't like people telling me what my car is isn't when they don't know it, And all based on some maybe made up who knows but it's all on other cars someone Else's cars.
Like i said obviously they know more about my car then i do, I only own it

[Doctor Sodways]

just for refrence sodways, vn's like to sidestep UNLESS you have some phat 17" rims on them... then they handel alot better, as for lowering and loosing control i have to disagree... since i lowered mine it dosnt slip out asmuch... still need wider tyres, my brothers got 17x7.5" rims on his... its hard to spin the wheels...

Currently i have 235/45/17s on the car, still steps out a lot, and bags when required , but it will still do it, and mostly with very little effort, previously i had 245/45/16 on the rear, stepped out more. The wider and better tyres help, but the VN's are very tail happy, and i mean VERY. Im not saying its a bad thing, but its fun at the right times. The rear end also has lovells superlows and short stroke shocks, stiff enough to scare people, helps with the control and the losing traction bit


And slick, that argument is getting pretty funny over there

[Full Spectrum]

Currently i have 235/45/17s on the car, still steps out a lot, and bags when required , but it will still do it, and mostly with very little effort, previously i had 245/45/16 on the rear, stepped out more. The wider and better tyres help, but the VN's are very tail happy, and i mean VERY. Im not saying its a bad thing, but its fun at the right times. The rear end also has lovells superlows and short stroke shocks, stiff enough to scare people, helps with the control and the losing traction bit


And slick, that argument is getting pretty funny over there

I noticed a couple fighting with each other, Even some of the ford owners have good respect for the Buick's. But i gotta piss myself when the BA I6 gets tossed in when the conversation is on the Buick V6.
But they picked the wrong guy to pick at about driving BA's, My brothers owns one and i hired a Territory last year to go to Bathurst, I know it very well, Great thing the Territory is it's got some issues but was a great fun drive, But dam i was happy to get back into my car again when i got home.