Urgent!!! Car Canaryed. Dont Know How To Fix Horn

[saint_matrix]

Last nights I was driving along and I got pulled over by a cop and my car got canaryed.

PROBLEMS NEEDING TO BE FIXED:
- LIGHTING - Brake Lights To Operate
- Indicator Lense Front And Rear to be replaced
- WINDSCREEN - To be repaired or replaced
- HORN - To Operate

Most of these are simple purchases which I will make like indicator lenses etc but the horn is where Im baffled. I have an after market steering wheel on and when I was taking the old one off I briefly went away to take a piss and when I got back my mates had taked it off. I wasnt dissapointed or anything but they didnt take notice on how everything went and I dont have a horn as such now.

All I have is. Copper Ring > Boss Kit > Steering Wheel. I have a horn button but dont know how to hook it up. It has 2 wires coming out of it. Could someone please tell me how I install it?

Also, does anyone know if polishing out scratches in a windscreen are expensive? I have 2 scratches from windscreen wiper blades.
I appreciate your help. Thanks guys

[adam69]

I think one wire is for an earth.Screw it in to somewhere on the wheel and plug in the other as normal.I think thats how it works.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Only Isotta and Momo wheels are legal, if your wheel is not one of those just put the stock wheel back on to get the defect off.

[saint_matrix]

He didnt say the wheel was unroadworthy (mine is a momo ripoff and has the required ammount of padding etc) it was because my horn doesnt work. Becoase he looked at it and was fine and said put indicators on, headlights, beep horn.

Adam, you know how you said plug one is as normal. Where does that plug into. I dont have anywires to plug it into.

Thanks

[futronix]

one wire gets screwed or plugged into the boss kit itself or there abouts.... the other wire get plugged into the back of the push button horn.. when the push button on the horn is placed into the steering wheel it makes contact via some metal prongs... at this point its a open ciruit... push the horn button closes the circuit and hence give u ur beep...

hope it somewhat helps...

[CALAIS 6]

is it just a cop shop defect or a inspection centre?????????

[adam69]

What futronix said

[1991_Vn2nV]

He didnt say the wheel was unroadworthy (mine is a momo ripoff and has the required ammount of padding etc) it was because my horn doesnt work. Becoase he looked at it and was fine and said put indicators on, headlights, beep horn.

Adam, you know how you said plug one is as normal. Where does that plug into. I dont have anywires to plug it into.

Thanks

If its a proper inspection they will check the wheel. Real Momo wheels have a proper stamp on the back of them, like an ADR number. And obviously they say Momo etc too. He might not have said it, but when the defect is checked they probably will.

[saint_matrix]

If its a proper inspection they will check the wheel. Real Momo wheels have a proper stamp on the back of them, like an ADR number. And obviously they say Momo etc too. He might not have said it, but when the defect is checked they probably will.

Hello, the last time I got a canary it was exactly like this. And what I had to do is go to a Vicroads office, a guy/woman comes out and checks the problems listed to see if they have been fixed, says yes thats fine, or not. Last time they did not check my entire car, only the problems listed.
I have posted the defect notice below.

I doubt they check what brand your steering wheel is and decide whether it is roadworthy depending on if its a Momo or Isotta. I have been told by Autobarne that the reason most steering wheels they carry are unroadworthy is because they dont have the required ammount of padding around the horn area, as there is a certain ammount required for safety.

But either way thats not my current concern. Thankyou for the help with the horn I now understand how the circuit works, but my horn does have two wires coming out of it, but there is no wire coming out of my car to plug the horn to. Could someone please be able to tell me where the wire comes out of so that I can put another one there. Thankyou

[Dan355]

It doesnt matter if your wheel has adequete padding. If it doesnt meet the adrs ie tested theyl do u for it. If they want to be pricks theyl just give you another for having the wrong steering wheel. They love doin that here in sa. Have you got a Gregories manual? Guess not. Thatl tell you what u need to know. I think there should be 2 wires going into the back of your boss kit then another 1 or 2 going to your horn button. There should be spade terminals built into your boss kit that the wires connect to. Goodluck with it.

[vn25det]

Only Isotta and Momo wheels are legal, if your wheel is not one of those just put the stock wheel back on to get the defect off.

as long as the wheel is 300mm wide and has the ard paper work (which by standard law needs to be supplied to be sold in aus) any wheel is fine my el'chepo $50 supercheap autotecinca (spelling?) had the ard paperwork and was 305mm so passed rwc fine, padding dont mean squat as u will be passed with a wooden wheel as long as it meets ard standards and is 300mm or bigger as this is where ppl get in trouble having really small wheels.

but to ur question if its not sorted u can email me at hz308ute at westnet dot com dot au (make normal changes) and i will send u pics of the boss kit n how it all hooks up and i think i have spare parts to from a saas boss kit

[1991_Vn2nV]

as long as the wheel is 300mm wide and has the ard paper work (which by standard law needs to be supplied to be sold in aus) any wheel is fine my el'chepo $50 supercheap autotecinca (spelling?) had the ard paperwork and was 305mm so passed rwc fine, padding dont mean squat as u will be passed with a wooden wheel as long as it meets ard standards and is 300mm or bigger as this is where ppl get in trouble having really small wheels.

but to ur question if its not sorted u can email me at hz308ute at westnet dot com dot au (make normal changes) and i will send u pics of the boss kit n how it all hooks up and i think i have spare parts to from a saas boss kit

You are having trouble spelling a 3 letter abreviation... Both times you said ARD... not ADR...

Momo wheels do not need paperwork. Isotta wheels do. Autotechnica is not ADR approved and will not come with the paperwork. Even with the paperwork, all wheels must have the ADR number stamped on the back of the steering wheel.

But im sure you wont listen to me, so here it is straight from the guidelines:

Passenger cars and derivatives manufactured on or after 1st January, 1971 have been fitted with steering wheels and steering columns which are designed to minimise injuries to the driver in vehicle collisions. The only steering wheel that may be used is the one recommended by the vehicle manufacturer as an approved part.
Consideration will also be given for the fitment of steering wheels and adaptors that have been certified and stamped in accordance with ECE Regulation 12. It is recommended you contact Transport SA with details of the steering wheel, including any markings/stamping on the wheel and adaptor, to determine its suitability for your vehicle.

The 300mm wide thing you mentioned has nothing to do with the law. That is an insurance pre-requisite, not a legal one.

[F&B]

mate regardless of the type of wheel u have the horn operation is simple. remove the boss kit there is a brass ring on the back of it remove it ( it should be glued so put it in a pot of boiling water and then lift it off with a screwdriver. ok now with it off fit 1 ONE wire to ur horn button and pass itthrough the the centre of the boss kit and then on the bottom side of the rear ring of the boss kit u will see a hole (~6mm) pass the wire through this now solder this wire to the brass ring. get somw two part epoxy and glue the brass ring back in place. let it sit overnight and in the morning put it all back together on the car and hey presto the horn works. i say this as i did it yesterday. good luck its a piece of piss.

btw regrding the steering wheel thing it is state dependant in QLD it must pass only adr 10 and have a diamater greater than 310mm to be legal this is not the case in all states but it is so in qld (only applies to cars built b4 1996 tho after 96 u need an airbag)

[saint_matrix]

mate regardless of the type of wheel u have the horn operation is simple. remove the boss kit there is a brass ring on the back of it remove it ( it should be glued so put it in a pot of boiling water and then lift it off with a screwdriver. ok now with it off fit 1 ONE wire to ur horn button and pass itthrough the the centre of the boss kit and then on the bottom side of the rear ring of the boss kit u will see a hole (~6mm) pass the wire through this now solder this wire to the brass ring. get somw two part epoxy and glue the brass ring back in place. let it sit overnight and in the morning put it all back together on the car and hey presto the horn works. i say this as i did it yesterday. good luck its a piece of piss.

btw regrding the steering wheel thing it is state dependant in QLD it must pass only adr 10 and have a diamater greater than 310mm to be legal this is not the case in all states but it is so in qld (only applies to cars built b4 1996 tho after 96 u need an airbag)

Hello yes I did that this morning but for some reason it wont ground to the boss kit or steering column, only the bit of metal surroinding the ignition. Anyone know why this is happening. Everything is fine i just cant ground it on the boss kit or anything close?!

[hakhawk]

just for you 1991_Vn2nV, if you look at his defect notice scan, hes in vic, and the laws in vic can differ from SA

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf

states wheel must be minimum of 330mm, and something about adr 10, which i assume is to do with if wheekl passes adr, but couldnt find much on it.

[1991_Vn2nV]

just for you 1991_Vn2nV, if you look at his defect notice scan, hes in vic, and the laws in vic can differ from SA

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf

states wheel must be minimum of 330mm, and something about adr 10, which i assume is to do with if wheekl passes adr, but couldnt find much on it.

Which is exactly what I've been saying mate. I havent been sticking to state laws, all along I have said they must be ADR approved... Which is Australia wide, not dependant upon the state.

The minimum size of the steering wheel and little bits like that will depend on the state, but being ADR approved does not.

ADR approved wheels are stamped with the ADR number on the back and the only two wheels that have this are Isotta and Momo.

[vn25det]

You are having trouble spelling a 3 letter abreviation... Both times you said ARD... not ADR...

Momo wheels do not need paperwork. Isotta wheels do. Autotechnica is not ADR approved and will not come with the paperwork. Even with the paperwork, all wheels must have the ADR number stamped on the back of the steering wheel.

But im sure you wont listen to me, so here it is straight from the guidelines:


The 300mm wide thing you mentioned has nothing to do with the law. That is an insurance pre-requisite, not a legal one.

lmao quoting sa laws for victoria, seeing i am a licenced vic roads rwc tester i think i would know want me to copy all the rules n reg's from the official rule book? and would u like to see the adr certificate that came with the steering wheel? it matches the adr number on steering wheel ? so where's the problem? i gave usefull victorian infomation to a victorian problem and u attack me with sa crap? wth grow up

[1991_Vn2nV]

Scan me a copy of the paperwork that came with the steering wheel.

ADR's are NOT state restricted, they are Australia wide...

You're a Licenced RWC tester yet you cant even spell ADR?

[vn25det]

adr 10 straight from my adr book word for word, The function of this Australian Design Rule is to minimise crushing or penetrating injuries to drivers due to the 'Steering Column' as a result of frontal impact, which in this instance just means that all the columns that colapse must colapse, has nothing to do with the wheel and boss kit at all. now in VICTORIA if using a aftermarket wheel as long as its no smaller then 300mm (what it says in my book) it is legal as i stated in my first post. but u wont listern to me so get off from behind ur computer being a keybord hero and actuall do something about correctly informing urself on the rules before giving the wrong info
funny thing is in ur quote from sa transport it mentions nothing about adr and the only adr u talked about was adr 10 which has nothing to do with steering wheels?

[1991_Vn2nV]

Well according to VIC ROADS the wheel must be a minimum of 330mm, not 300mm as you are saying.

You dont understand do you? If something is ADR Approved it is ADR approved AUSTRALIA WIDE. Each state does not decide what is ADR approved and what is not. And Auto Technica is NOT ADR Approved! Whether its in SA OR VIC.

[JSTPOZN]

Everything vn2nv is saying is true...

Just get over your pride and admit you were wrong, Most places will check that trust me im going thru it at the moment...

If your steering wheel doesnt meet standards it shouldnt be thru

Cops can Defect you for it and make you prove its ADR Aproved at the cop show/ inspection place..

Mine isnt ADR Approved so i will have to change it. It has all cushioning and horn works and it is mirror image or ISOTTA.... but wont pass

[1991_Vn2nV]

Also his little book is missing a few things. His book states the FUNCTION of ADR 10.

I have all 12 pages here that actually make up ADR 10/00 and ADR 10/01.

funny thing is in ur quote from sa transport it mentions nothing about adr and the only adr u talked about was adr 10 which has nothing to do with steering wheels?

Part of ADR 10 mate.... "10.4.1. The technical requirements of ECE R 12/00, 12/01 or 12/02 - “Protection against the Steering Mechanism” - shall be deemed to be equivalent to the technical requirements of this Rule."

In case you didnt realise, the 'Steering Mechanism' is in fact the steering wheel Also notice ECE Regulation 12 mentioned above, which is what the SA Regulations refer to... They refer to the Regulation wiith which ADR 10 must be deemed equivalent to.

In fact, ADR 10 FOCUSES on the 'Steering Mechanism" and the ‘Steering Column’ assembly including the steering device which is actuated by the driver.

[vn25det]

u do not understand i HAVE never said adr differs from state to state where in any of my posts have i said this? i am saying in VIC a steering wheel DOES NOT need to be adr approved to be legal, get it ADR DOES NOT APPLY TO STEERING WHEELS IN VIC, ur the one who said he needs a adr approved wheel to pass a rwc, what i am saying is this is not true. now to clear it up for u as u seem to not like to be shown in public how little u actually know, adr's are an australian standard yes but different states inforce different adr's, but just seems u dont want to understand u just wanna be argumentive, let me ask u this do u have any understanding of what the adr's cover that u so happy to throw around?
i aint gonna bother no more so this will be my last post on this subject and even if i scanned the adr comply certificate u probly would say its dodgy lol well good bye

[4PLAYN]

ADR's are Australia wide. Car companies like Holden, Mitsubishi, Ford and Toyota who probably all have plants here in Australia have to, i repeat HAVE TO comply with the ADR's or the car CANNOT be for sale.

You say your from Vic Roads, as a Roadworthy tester. That must mean you test cars, am i correct? If you are from Vic Roads, why did you spell ADR's wrong (when its your job to make sure they are there) not once, but twice. Also, ADR 10 is to do with steering wheels. If the coloum didnt collapse you would have one in your gut or have your whole torso wedged between your seat and the wheel.

Fact still remains, ANY steering wheel without a ADR stamped on it and with papers is ILLEGAL unless its stock.

BTW vn25det, i see you would know my uncle, tell the chairman Adam said hello :P

[4PLAYN]

On your last post, EVERY ADR is enforced by every state. dont mix the facts up with fantasy ....

ADR's are AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES ..... last time i checked Victoria is IN AUSTRALIA. So i think ADR's are covered in Victoria. New cars from the factory HAVE TO comply with EVERY ADR there is. Thats why over the past 30-35 years we have gone through 3 phases of emission ADR's .... i think they are ADR37a/ADR37b/ADR37c. If your going to spin crap make sure its the truth.