Bonnet Scoops???

[CAM05L]

hey all, is anyone aware of rules/regulations on bonnet scoops? ie:hornet style scoop on my vn. is there a certain hight they cant be above to be legal? are they legal at all? interested to here what you know!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[cruzncommo]

uhm not sure bout NSW but in QLD you have to be able to see 11m infront of the car with the scoop on.

[fazz1977]

I was reading something on the vicroads site about it, dunno how it would be up sydney way.

It went on about the legal heigh being determined by the visible distance along the bonnet line to a pre-determined point in the distance, and not breaking that field of vision, or some such bollocks. Lots of numbers involved.

[pow3rslave]

there's also something about the shape of the scoop itself

[90VN55]

these laws are for qld

[CAM05L]

thanks guys might try a bit more research and see how i go cause it seems it could be alot different from state to state

[binkztarr]

yeh if anyone knows i would be interested also for my car, im in SA

[JSTPOZN]

dunno but in sa the new wrx's are gettin defected for there factory scoops

[binkztarr]

spewin prob not lookin good then ay,
like you say mate S.A. the defect state

[JSTPOZN]

haha yeah plus being on anything like a VL - VN its bound to be looked apon

[pow3rslave]

dunno but in sa the new wrx's are gettin defected for there factory scoops

srsly? jeez. got a link?

[JSTPOZN]

nah but they are too high and are a crash hazard and getting recalled on the new wrx's

[Bravotwozero]

nah but they are too high and are a crash hazard and getting recalled on the new wrx's

No offence, but that's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

[JSTPOZN]

ok then.

Goto subaru and ask them yourself.

Its not uncommon for a company to make something factory to be defectable...

[JD]

wouldn't the car be considerd unsafe to sell and be banned from being sold?

[1991_Vn2nV]

It is CLEARLY stated in the SA Regulations that FORWARD FACING bonnet scoops are ILLEGAL.

This, technically, includes wrx scoops. I havent heard about the wrx's being recalled but JSTPOZN is right, they ARE illegal and technically CAN be defected, but I dont think this includes stock cars, only modified vehicles.

[1991_Vn2nV]

In South Australia:

Bonnet Scoops
The fitting of a rearward opening bonnet scoop is permitted without specific approval or inspection providing that the following criteria can be met.
a. Bonnet scoops manufactured from a plastic or fibreglass material may be fitted, providing that the hole in the original bonnet does not substantially reduce the strength or impact resistance of the bonnet and no rigid component, such as an air cleaner or carburettor protrudes beyond the original bonnet profile.
b. Holes may be cut in the bonnet and the protrusion of an air cleaner or carburettor above the bonnet line but below the bonnet scoop providing that the bonnet scoop or raised bonnet section is manufactured from equivalent gauge mild steel compared with the original bonnet.
c. If any bonnet reinforcing braces are cut or modified the design of the modified bonnet must be of equal strength to the original bonnet and any sharp edges created must be suitably treated.
d. All edges and corners shall have a radius of not less than 5 millimetres and of general design and construction so as to reduce to a minimum the risk of bodily injury to any person.
e. In addition, any bonnet scoop is unacceptable if it restricts the field of view of the driver under normal operating conditions. The field of view requirements are determined as follows:
• With the drivers seat in the rearmost position, it shall be possible to see, unobstructed for the full width of the vehicle, a line drawn on the roadway 11 metres ahead of the "driver's eye position" when looking over the bonnet scoop. For the purpose of this requirement the "driver's eye position" shall lie at the bottom of the of the 95th percentile eye ellipse (reference ADR 15/01 clause 15.1.5.1).
• Alternatively the "driver's eye position" can be taken as a point 750 millimetres above and 270 millimetres forward of the junction of the seat cushion and seat squab with the seat in the lowest and rearmost position.

The fitting of forward opening bonnet scoops, which have the potential to increase injuries to pedestrians in collisions, for example forward opening "letter box" style, are not acceptable.

[binkztarr]

SPEWIN but cheer for the info

[Bravotwozero]

So that basically means that all Liberty GT's and Impreza WRX's for the past 15 years are unroadworthy. Considering they pass ADR legislation, I'm betting your info is incorrect. There aren't any recalls listed whatsoever. But hey, if you can prove me wrong, I'll happily eat humble pie.

[1991_Vn2nV]

So that basically means that all Liberty GT's and Impreza WRX's for the past 15 years are unroadworthy. Considering they pass ADR legislation, I'm betting your info is incorrect. There aren't any recalls listed whatsoever. But hey, if you can prove me wrong, I'll happily eat humble pie.

I just stated the legislation. That is the latest version of the State Guidelines for South Australia, and is still the most current legislation available from Transport SA.

There is a difference between passing ADR's, which are Australian Design Rules and passing specific state requirements.

In WA, REARWARD facing bonnet scoops are illegal. The complete opposite of SA. These regulations do NOT relate to ADR's, but to state specific guidelines.

If you wish to argue, please show facts or legislation, not just state your opinion and think that qualifies you to be correct because you obviously know without doing any research what so ever. I have done the research, I have read the relevant guidelines and I have read 90% of the ADR's.

Now, regarding Liberty GT's, WRX's and even the newer Monaro's, I would presume that it is perfectly legal if these cars are released like this from the manufacturer and pass approval from Transport SA and are submitted to sufficient testing.

[Bravotwozero]

I just stated the legislation.

There is a difference between passing ADR's, which are Australian Design Rules and passing specific state requirements.

In WA, REARWARD facing bonnet scoops are illegal. The complete opposite of SA. These regulations do NOT relate to ADR's, but to state specific guidelines.

If you wish to argue, please show facts or legislation, not just state your opinion and think that qualifies you to be correct because you obviously know without doing any research what so ever. I have done the research, I have read the relevant guidelines and I have read 90% of the ADR's.

Maybe you should get a job with Subaru. Obviously your research is better than their understanding of the legislation. I'm not arguing at all. And I'm not doubting you know the legislation. I just find it really hard to believe that a car manufacturer has been selling defective vehicles for so long. I could be wrong, but like I said, it just seems like too big a scandal. I mean could you imagine how many pissed off REX owners there would be?

[1991_Vn2nV]

Yeah I understand that. Sorry about my previous reply which was rather blunt... Im a bit touchy on this topic because i've been having the same argument on **************** and no matter how much legislation I research and send him... He's like "no, the new monaro passed ADR so your information must be wrong" But im pretty sure the genuine monaro bonnets are only fake scoops anyway, that they dont go through to the engine...Which would make them fine anyway

But yeah, I presume if the cars are submitted to transport SA for testing and are approved for safety purposes, it would be fine. So they probably need to provide 10 bonnets or something for testing and they test them regarding their "potential to increase injuries to pedestrians in collisions".

[Bravotwozero]

Yeah I understand that. Sorry about my previous reply which was rather blunt... Im a bit touchy on this topic because i've been having the same argument on **************** and no matter how much legislation I research and send him... He's like "no, the new monaro passed ADR so your information must be wrong" But im pretty sure the genuine monaro bonnets are only fake scoops anyway, that they dont go through to the engine...Which would make them fine anyway

But yeah, I presume if the cars are submitted to transport SA for testing and are approved for safety purposes, it would be fine. So they probably need to provide 10 bonnets or something for testing and they test them regarding their "potential to increase injuries to pedestrians in collisions".

Got a link? I've been led to believe that you're quoting from regulations for modifying cars, not new vehicles. Apparently they're different. I can't find any recalls listed on government site either.

That legislation relates to modifications not ADR's which new cars must adhere to

[Bravotwozero]

Dear Mr *****

Thank you for your recent email to Subaru Australia

Regarding your enquiry related to your MY06 Impreza WRX bonnet scoop,
Subaru Australia has not been informed of any issues with the bonnet
scoop of this model vehicle, previous model WRX vehicles were recalled
for the scoop not the version you are driving.

Hoping this information is of assistance to you, thank you for writing
top feedback at Subaru.

Regards
David Uno| Customer Relations Representative
Subaru (Aust) Pty Ltd
Level 4, 4 Burbank Place | Baulkham Hills | NSW 2153

mmmm previous models. I wonder what the recall was for? Might do some further investigation.

[MrEs]

from what i recall the recalls was on an 2002(?) for NON ADR issues.