m8 bought ed falcon wants 2 go me , should i be worried

[vks]

hey all my m8 just bout a ed falcon 4.0 5 speed manual standard, he wants 2 drag my vn 3.8 cai sports exhaust auto is it possible for me 2 get the bumper infront? Any comments would be much appreciated

cheers vks

[Stretchomatic]

i always thought the 3.8 has much better down low power...

[Hillerus]

Falcons are pus. Even if he does beat you, at least your car doesnt look like a shoebox.

[ivaninoz]

I see another was KILLED in a Nissan in Redcliffe Qld yesterday

[Tekka]

You should definatly have him off the mark till about 80-100. After that they start to wind up and gallop

[pandaman]

It's all down to gearing. If the ED had the same ratios as the VN, it would probably beat you. Thankfully your VN has a 3.06:1 first gear while the falcon has a rediculously tall 2.39:1 for first. While the commodore has a slightly taller diff ratio, (3.08:1 versus 3.23:1 for the standard falcon) in terms of final drive ratio in first the commodore is still streets ahead. Second gear for the commo is 1.63:1, for the falcon it's 1.45:1, taking into account the slight diff ratio difference there's bugger all difference between the two final ratios in second.

Contrary to popular opinion the commodores off the mark advantage is not due to it's "superior low down power" aka torque. In reality the e-series falcon 6 makes a fair bit more torque than the buick through most of the rev range. (Although VN series ones and other comodores running early tunes with the bellmouth removed may well have a bit more grunt down the bottom end) Time and time again it has been shown that the commodore will destroy the falcon through first (due to it's massive gearing advantage, then through second the falcon will either hold position or gain slightly, and then in third where the falcon has a slight gearing adantage (basically level pegging though) that allows it to put it's torque advantage to good use it hauls the commodore back in. (although by the time you've got the right boot on the floorboards in third you're doing fairly silly speeds and would definitely wanna be on a racetrack or private road)

To summarise, to legal speeds, you should beat him with fair ease. Unless one or both of you is running a manual in which case things become more complicated. Don't let us know how it goes, because street racing is bad mmkay?

EDIT: ahhh crap, missed the bit that said it was a manual. I honestly can't be arsed chasing down the ford T5 ratios. Suffice it to say that the manuals are faster than the auto's. You'll probably still win unless he's one of these crazy buggers who'll ride it off the line and flat shift just for the sake of winning. Even if he is, he'll be the one replacing his clutch after a few runs.

[greenfoam]

Unless he is a wizz with the clutch you will win, that car should be able to match a VN auto over the 1/4 mile if he can drive but he probbaly isn't that good so you should be able to just stomp the pedal to the floor and wait for victory. It's only because he has a manual that he has any hope at all, all auto falcons up to the BA are massive slugs and none of them are even close to a VN in straight line performance. But they do have a posh suspension setup later on in life . Even a VL manual with advanced timing should/might/maybe beat a auto falcon

[padrickz88]

wellllll if he knows how to drive i personally dont like your chances, will be close but i think he may beat you BUT going by your post, he only just brought it. it takes a little bit for people to used to there cars... so like greenfoam just said, plant the foot and see what happens

[Pretender]

ED Falcons are slower than EB Falcons. A stock ED manual is low to mid 16s for the 400m, the EB was in the fifteens. I don't know why this is the case as the ED was no heavier and only lost 3kWs from the EB.
You should win up to legal speeds.

[defa]

just race him and see who wins.
best out of 3.
don't sit there and worry that ya may loose. just give it ya best shop.
i use to laugh, there was a fella not far from here in naracoorte and some people use to say his Ea/b sporty things. not sure what it was. was the fastest 6 in naracoorte. i am not in naracoorte, but one of my mates took him for a drive in the car i got my motor out of and he **** himself. and told me that my motor has heap of go, bla bla bla. so i really wouldn't be too worried.. unless your car has done 300,000 or something and is about buggered..

[greenfoam]

Things must have slipped in naracoorte lately, When my brother lived there his girlfriend had a 13 second LJ torana 202 and her brother had a 13 second Cortina with a 250 crossflow in it and I doubt they were the fastest 6's there. There used to be a pretty active 1/8th mile club over there

[Full Spectrum]

hey all my m8 just bout a ed falcon 4.0 5 speed manual standard, he wants 2 drag my vn 3.8 cai sports exhaust auto is it possible for me 2 get the bumper infront? Any comments would be much appreciated

cheers vks

Don't race past 130km/h But you should do him down the 1/4 just don't look back.

[defa]

that fella didn't have the fastest 6. he only thought he did.. my point was i don't think it went that hard at all.
naracoorte is a funny ol' place. i reckon there are getting less and less rev heads these days there.. there is still few in the drag club there though. some pretty nuts cars there..

[VNexecutive]

youll beat him off the blocks thats for sure. ive noticed between a EB and a VN the VN takes off much quicker. but also as said they do get up and go after then hit 70 or so. pretty close match up i'd say

[holden#1]

It be betting a very close match up.
If it was an auto ED, it would be different. Those autos are f&*^d!

[Full Spectrum]

I had some fun with a EA S 5 Speed last year at around 45km/h.. We both wanted the middle lane of a 3 lane road he was far right and me far left and we went for it past 2 cars in the middle and woot, I got it, But that's in the buicks best range of power.. I'm sure if it was above 80km/h i might have been the one backing off.

[Keesh]

i dragged an ef and in first second and third i was way ahead but when he got into fourth he justr cruised past me.. of coarse i blamed it on a misfire haha.. i think it has alot to do with the hole in my fron muffler and dodgy strait pipe at the back.. it still sounds better then any real system for a 6

[PaRaDoX]

all comes down to the driver, and the condition of hte car, if your car is a ****box then you'll loose :P but i have faith, they're slow... any vn / vp can kill a E series ford solong as its runnign right

[vks]

Thanks all for your comments much appreciated, lol defa my vn has 294,000 on the clock but i guess i have ana advantage that i fully rebuilt her motor 5000kms ago, goin the falcon 2nite ill keep you all posted on the outcome, cheers vks

[Billo55]

i would put my money on the ford

[VNexecutive]

how'd ya go mate?

[vks]

I WON lol , 1 car length, sumthin strange happend tho, i put my foot down we both took off ,flat foot then out of no where i got a kick up the ass and my vn took off massive jolt from bout 50 to 80 just like that ,few seconds after it already changed gears so it didnt change gear again it was like a speed burst, it wasnt smooth acceleration it just got up n went like i said kicked me up the ass, i cant exactly describe it but it wasnt normal acceleration i neva seen that happen b4.At the jolt i got 2 car lengths on him, Lol if any1 knows what happend and understands my spastic descrition let me know plz .
cheers vks

[VNexecutive]

were you in drive or overdrive? drive will give you a kick up the ass if changed from overdrive

[pandaman]

were you in drive or overdrive? drive will give you a kick up the ass if changed from overdrive

Nah mate, must have been VTEC kicking in yo! ROFL Seriously though, he wouldn't have been in overdrive (fourth) at 50 odd km/h. If it was a rolling start it might have had some first to second confusion. VKS, i reccomend you check the relationship between your throttle cable, throttle body and kickdown (TV) cable. Hit google for info and instructions on it, five minutes work and you've got your auto, throttle body and right foot working in perfect harmony.

I WON lol , 1 car length, sumthin strange happend tho, i put my foot down we both took off ,flat foot then out of no where i got a kick up the ass and my vn took off massive jolt from bout 50 to 80 just like that ,few seconds after it already changed gears so it didnt change gear again it was like a speed burst, it wasnt smooth acceleration it just got up n went like i said kicked me up the ass, i cant exactly describe it but it wasnt normal acceleration i neva seen that happen b4.At the jolt i got 2 car lengths on him, Lol if any1 knows what happend and understands my spastic descrition let me know plz .
cheers vks

Good to hear you gave him a kicking, I was talking to a fordfan at a party last night (bit of a blast from my dark past ) and he's got an ED that would give my 5L a good run, might even beat me if he still had his licence. Glad you got one back for the VN boys anyway.

[ivaninoz]

You Ppl Have no idea at all do ewes?

The Henry was trying to get past,
just that you were in the way