Rear Windscreen Wiper on Sedan

[Mr_Slim]

who else cracks the ****s when they have to pour water over their rear windsheild in the morning, or when its raining they basically can't see **** out of the back of their car, and have to try incredibly hard to avoid any accidents?

i think there should be some way to fix this. in theory, wouldn't it be possible to run a rear windscreen wiper, using the motor and the arm from say a VN - VS wagon, and wire it up to the connection of the front wipers, so whenever the front goes, the rear comes on as well?

While it may not be possible to have the rear running separately on its own as with a wagon, having it at the same time as the front would be just fine by me.

Unfortunately i know not very much about electronics. If someone showed me which wires to cut, where the wires go, and which wires i should connect, i could solder them and it would all be sweet, but apart from that i've got nothing.

has anybody tried this before? If so - luck / no luck?

Simple in theory, shouldn't cost too much either....

[r_i_d_a_h]

what?? a rear windscreen wiper on a sedan??

where are you going to mount the mechanism and the wiper arm and all that??

[1991_Vn2nV]

what?? a rear windscreen wiper on a sedan??

where are you going to mount the mechanism and the wiper arm and all that??

What he said ^^^

The wiring is the simple part, most sedans should have the plug for the switch behind the centre console... There are plugs there (same style plug as the A/C plug and they are taped up or hidden in that area) for rear wiper and rear washers, not sure how far the wiring goes though, perhaps to the last relay before its meant to head off to the rear wiper motor?

[wayvr]

only hard part would be mounting the wiper motor somewhere .. boot might not close?

[STEALTHY™]

I'm not understanding your problem?

the water should just leave the window by itself.
If your having that much of a problem, get some rainx, and all the water will just roll off (don't even need front wipers when its on)

Cost like $3 and lasts for a good few months (depending how you apply it)


Then you just need your dimister to work fine, and you'll never have a trouble again!

[r_i_d_a_h]

theres no problem with the wiper wiring just the mounting location for the autual wiper arm and mechanism is a trouble.

i think thats pretty much why most sedans do not come with a rear windshield wiper.

i dont think u could mount it on the boot, by far the wiper arm would need to be folded befor opening. it'll look odd on a commodore.

only other way is to do what this skyline has

[vy_storm]

And can I make the point, if your looking out your rear window too often to avoid accidents, something is wrong.

[adam69]

A few years ago a friend of mine worked at a place that did work for holden and they tried this set up and they were told it would be too costly to put into production.

[badger__rox]

i think you should get over it yer its annoyin but thats one of the joys of having a sedan

[[JUDGE]]

theres no problem with the wiper wiring just the mounting location for the autual wiper arm and mechanism is a trouble.

i think thats pretty much why most sedans do not come with a rear windshield wiper.

i dont think u could mount it on the boot, by far the wiper arm would need to be folded befor opening. it'll look odd on a commodore.

only other way is to do what this skyline has

That si one of the most stupidiest things ive ever seen, it looks so outa place and stupid. As it would on your commodore

[STEALTHY™]

i think you should get over it yer its annoyin but thats one of the joys of having a sedan

It can be avoided, like i said, use the Rainx thingo, and the water will roll off by itself.

[ephect]

^^^ im gonna go with STEALTHY's post, that would be the easiest thing to do, or make sure ur demisters work

if u wanna do something else apart from the wiper system on the rear, why not go for water jet nozzles n spray water on the frosty rear winscreen, mount the pump n bottle somewhere in the boot, maybe drill some holes in the boot and mount ur jets there. run wires down the kick panel to a button on ur dash somewhere, and wolla! solution.. dearer, holes n stuff in ur boot, but an idea

[samuels]

who else cracks the ****s when they have to pour water over their rear windsheild in the morning, or when its raining they basically can't see **** out of the back of their car, and have to try incredibly hard to avoid any accidents?

i think there should be some way to fix this. in theory, wouldn't it be possible to run a rear windscreen wiper, using the motor and the arm from say a VN - VS wagon, and wire it up to the connection of the front wipers, so whenever the front goes, the rear comes on as well?

While it may not be possible to have the rear running separately on its own as with a wagon, having it at the same time as the front would be just fine by me.

Unfortunately i know not very much about electronics. If someone showed me which wires to cut, where the wires go, and which wires i should connect, i could solder them and it would all be sweet, but apart from that i've got nothing.

has anybody tried this before? If so - luck / no luck?

Simple in theory, shouldn't cost too much either....

anything is possible,as i have said to you before....personal preferences,personally myself,i wouldn't worry about it,but i'm sure it could be done.
i would say you could make up a shelf on the upper boot...more precisely on the forward side of the parcel tray under boot,but you would have to have the slimest of wiper arms and head, for the wiper arm to fit on to,as you know there is not much body gap between boot lid and rear screen.

[Mr_Slim]

the demister works ok, just takes a few minutes to fire up so thats not a problem.

the rain does slide off the window so thats not a problem.

i'm talking about when you're in heavy pouring rain, and water hits the back windscreen quicker than it slides off, meaning your windscreen is virtually impossible to look out. It is the same if you're in heavy rain and you don't put your windscreen wipers on. you can't see anything at all.

i tend to agree with the post that said Holden could fit, but it would be too expensive. yes there would be a bit of work involved, and thats where the cost would come from. but it would be definately possible. however as someone else suggested, it would probably look crap

and to the person who said that they're worried that i look out the rear windscreen to avoid accidents - you obviously know very little about driving - cars can not only be in front of you, but they can be behind you too. sometimes, they can even be moving faster than you, which means you should probably check what they're doing before you randomly change lanes. yes we have side mirrors, but they don't always tell the full story. If for example you are stuck in a stationary lane and would like to quickly jump into a lane with moving traffic, looking out your rear windscreen so you can see cars further than 20m away is a good idea. but when it is covered with water because rain is hitting it faster than it is leaving, you can't see anything. same goes for the side mirrors. There is a very good reason we have a rear view mirror and a rear windscreen, so i tend to use it whenever possible.

[vy_storm]

and to the person who said that they're worried that i look out the rear windscreen to avoid accidents - you obviously know very little about driving - cars can not only be in front of you, but they can be behind you too. sometimes, they can even be moving faster than you, which means you should probably check what they're doing before you randomly change lanes. yes we have side mirrors, but they don't always tell the full story. If for example you are stuck in a stationary lane and would like to quickly jump into a lane with moving traffic, looking out your rear windscreen so you can see cars further than 20m away is a good idea. but when it is covered with water because rain is hitting it faster than it is leaving, you can't see anything. same goes for the side mirrors. There is a very good reason we have a rear view mirror and a rear windscreen, so i tend to use it whenever possible.

That was me, and I think you have missed the point as to the main purpose of rear view mirrors and windows. Reversing perhaps? And if you are more concerned about what is going on behind you then you clearly aren't concentrating on what is ahead.

[Morton]

lol of course you need the rear window clean - how else are you supposed to keep out a hawkeye for approaching highway patrols on the Monash? lol j/k

But seriously, I wouldn't feel safe being unable to see out the back of my car. I keep a squidgie rubber thing on a handle in the boot so I can wipe condensation and frost off the rear window of my car every night after work (6am + docklands = frosty). I won't drive a meter with zero rear visibility - I'd sooner sit still and wait. It just doesn't feel right. And in the pouring rain - I wouldn't be changing lanes that much anyway.

[STEALTHY™]

Am i not getting it? rain hitting the window faster than its coming off? in that theory, you must have a lake on your back window.


When i use rainx, i never need to use the wipers, even in a downpoor. simple really, the advice is there, i can't make you take it!

[Mr_Slim]

That was me, and I think you have missed the point as to the main purpose of rear view mirrors and windows. Reversing perhaps? And if you are more concerned about what is going on behind you then you clearly aren't concentrating on what is ahead.

true in some respects. but in theory you should be able to know what is going on all around you at all times. while what is in front is definitely the most important, what is behind you is also important.

having been rear-ended before, i always check whats behind me now to make sure some stupid driver isn't about to crash into me.

and i'll be honest, i almost caused an accident pulling into another lane in the rain. my lane was stopped and not going anywhere anytime soon. the lane beside me was moving and i decided to get into it. from what i could see there was space, but the windscreen was covered with water so it was hard to see. turns out the car behind me was dark and had no lights on, and i pulled right out in front. luckily for both of us he saw me coming and no harm was done, but had i been able to see out the back properly, the whole thing would've been avoided.

so while i take what your saying on board, there are circumstances where you need to be able to see out the back, and if you can't, then its a problem in my opinion.

[calais_cruzin]

Am i not getting it? rain hitting the window faster than its coming off? in that theory, you must have a lake on your back window.


When i use rainx, i never need to use the wipers, even in a downpoor. simple really, the advice is there, i can't make you take it!

HAHAHAH yeah u got a problem if thats happening.

I use RainX and FogX, best 18bucks spent, no need to use wipers at a good speed, no fogging up too.

Best stuff to use, n if u ever hear sumone say its crap, tell em they are a idiot and dont know how to use it.

Ive had a few ppl try tell me its a waste, then u show them the difference.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Is this a thread about safe driving practices or visibility problems?

While you are moving you can keep the water off your rear windscreen by using a vortex generator. These are little fin type things that attach to your roof right at the rear windscreen line and cause a shift in the way the air moves over the back of the car. At highway speeds they are also reputed to give better fuel economy by reducing the drag on the rear of the car.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...004/16E_03.pdf
More about them there.

[vy_storm]

true in some respects. but in theory you should be able to know what is going on all around you at all times. while what is in front is definitely the most important, what is behind you is also important.

having been rear-ended before, i always check whats behind me now to make sure some stupid driver isn't about to crash into me.

and i'll be honest, i almost caused an accident pulling into another lane in the rain. my lane was stopped and not going anywhere anytime soon. the lane beside me was moving and i decided to get into it. from what i could see there was space, but the windscreen was covered with water so it was hard to see. turns out the car behind me was dark and had no lights on, and i pulled right out in front. luckily for both of us he saw me coming and no harm was done, but had i been able to see out the back properly, the whole thing would've been avoided.

so while i take what your saying on board, there are circumstances where you need to be able to see out the back, and if you can't, then its a problem in my opinion.

I do know where you're coming from but personally, I just think you're stressing about being rear-ended too much. After being hit up the rear last week and not being able to do squat about preventing it, i'm not about to go out and be overly cautious everytime someone comes close to the back of me now. You also risk causing another accident by taking evasive action to avoid someone hitting you in the rear which then would be your fault as well. The upside about being rear-ended is 99% of the time you are not at fault and if you are fully insured you should not have any dramas making a claim.

And yes a clear rear windscreen is good, but you shouldn't rely on it and your driving skills should use all senses and mirrors. Truck and van drivers deal with no back windows, so no reason why the average motorist can't either.

[Mr_Slim]

I do know where you're coming from but personally, I just think you're stressing about being rear-ended too much. After being hit up the rear last week and not being able to do squat about preventing it, i'm not about to go out and be overly cautious everytime someone comes close to the back of me now. You also risk causing another accident by taking evasive action to avoid someone hitting you in the rear which then would be your fault as well. The upside about being rear-ended is 99% of the time you are not at fault and if you are fully insured you should not have any dramas making a claim.

And yes a clear rear windscreen is good, but you shouldn't rely on it and your driving skills should use all senses and mirrors. Truck and van drivers deal with no back windows, so no reason why the average motorist can't either.

good point.

[porscheboxster]

I'd agree with the rest. Invest in some Rainx and Fogx. Besides rear wipers on a sedan looks like ***t. It reminds me of some Toyota's or Mitsubishi sedans i've seen with them on. Yuck!