atfy and arbp

[RabidDog_12345]

hey guys i got a question,
ive got the sv3800 loaded in tunerpro and have atfy as the compare file, when i compare the sv3800 to the standard vn map, the stanard vn map has way more timing than the sv3800 in the mid range, but the sv3800 has about 4 degrees more at WOT, why is this, also the fuel ratio are very similar, i havnt tryed the sv3800 chip but from looking at this, it looks the standard map would pull harder in the mid range?

[Morton]

Yeah, the old VN map has good timing compared to many others. I swapped out my standard VP memcal for the ATFY (I think) 89 VN memcal, and noticed a little more pull higher in the gears.

[greenfoam]

hey guys i got a question,
ive got the sv3800 loaded in tunerpro and have atfy as the compare file, when i compare the sv3800 to the standard vn map, the stanard vn map has way more timing than the sv3800 in the mid range, but the sv3800 has about 4 degrees more at WOT, why is this, also the fuel ratio are very similar, i havnt tryed the sv3800 chip but from looking at this, it looks the standard map would pull harder in the mid range?

You are looking at them wrong (with the wrong definition file) for starters. But the sv3800 has less timing on the top end than atfy, the only reason its faster (slightly .1) is because it has a better fuel map but yes as you can see sv3800 tunes and go fast is in the imagination

[greenfoam]

On all of these spark maps the important part is the far right which is the 100 map full throttle column

atfy

29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.83
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 27.07
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 26.02
29.88 54.14 48.16 36.91 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 24.96
29.88 56.95 45.00 36.91 34.10 33.05 30.94 28.83 28.13 26.02 23.91
29.88 54.84 41.84 36.91 33.05 28.83 28.83 27.07 26.02 22.85 21.09
29.88 48.87 43.95 35.16 31.99 28.83 27.07 26.02 24.96 21.09 18.98
20.04 48.16 45.00 35.16 30.94 28.13 24.96 22.85 21.09 16.17 13.01
20.04 48.16 42.89 30.94 27.07 24.96 22.15 17.93 14.06 9.84 8.09
20.04 40.08 37.97 30.94 27.07 22.85 20.04 16.17 11.95 7.03 4.92
20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 15.12 9.84 9.84 5.98 4.92 4.92


arbp

28.13 30.94 34.10 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 27.07 27.07 26.02
28.13 31.99 35.86 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 27.07 27.07 26.02
27.07 30.94 35.86 35.86 31.99 28.83 28.13 28.13 28.13 27.07 26.02
26.02 31.99 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 26.02 26.02 26.02 26.02 26.02
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 28.13 26.02 26.02 24.96
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 27.07 24.96 24.96 23.91
22.85 28.83 40.08 35.86 29.88 29.88 28.13 24.96 23.91 22.85 22.15
22.15 28.13 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 27.07 24.96 22.85 20.04 17.93
14.06 20.04 26.02 28.13 24.96 22.15 20.04 20.04 18.98 16.17 13.01
9.84 16.17 21.80 23.91 20.04 17.93 16.17 15.12 14.06 11.95 8.09
9.84 13.01 16.17 20.04 16.17 13.01 9.84 9.84 9.84 5.98 3.87
9.84 9.84 16.17 16.17 9.84 9.84 9.84 9.84 7.03 5.98 4.92

Now this is the good one
SV3800 update, there are only a handful of differences between the sv3800 update and atfy, none of them very important as you can see the spark map is identical
asby

29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.83
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 27.07
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 26.02
29.88 54.14 48.16 36.91 31.99 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 28.13 24.96
29.88 56.95 45.00 36.91 34.10 33.05 30.94 28.83 28.13 26.02 23.91
29.88 54.84 41.84 36.91 33.05 28.83 28.83 27.07 26.02 22.85 21.09
29.88 48.87 43.95 35.16 31.99 28.83 27.07 26.02 24.96 21.09 18.98
20.04 48.16 45.00 35.16 30.94 28.13 24.96 22.85 21.09 16.17 13.01
20.04 48.16 42.89 30.94 27.07 24.96 22.15 17.93 14.06 9.84 8.09
20.04 40.08 37.97 30.94 27.07 22.85 20.04 16.17 11.95 7.03 4.92
20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 15.12 9.84 9.84 5.98 4.92 4.92

And again compared to the stock VP memcal BAAM

baam
29.88 52.73 34.80 33.05 33.05 30.94 27.77 27.77 27.07 26.02 24.96
29.88 43.95 31.99 31.99 31.99 29.88 27.77 26.02 26.02 23.91 23.91
29.88 45.00 34.80 31.99 31.99 30.94 28.83 27.07 27.07 26.02 24.96
29.88 40.78 34.80 33.05 33.75 27.07 28.12 23.91 22.15 22.15 22.15
29.88 40.78 34.80 33.75 31.99 26.02 27.07 23.91 22.15 22.15 22.15
29.88 43.95 34.80 31.99 30.94 28.83 27.07 23.91 22.15 22.15 20.04
29.88 45.70 33.75 31.99 29.88 28.83 26.02 22.85 21.09 20.04 18.98
29.88 45.70 34.80 31.99 29.88 26.02 24.96 22.85 20.04 16.87 15.82
20.04 46.76 35.86 30.94 27.07 24.96 22.15 18.98 15.12 14.06 10.90
20.04 34.80 33.05 29.88 26.02 22.85 15.82 13.01 8.79 7.03 4.92
20.04 26.02 34.80 30.94 22.85 21.80 15.12 13.01 9.84 4.92 2.81
20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 15.12 9.84 9.84 5.98 4.92 4.92

"Power chip gold"
28.13 30.94 34.10 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 27.07 27.07 26.02
28.13 31.99 35.86 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 27.07 27.07 26.02
27.07 30.94 35.86 35.86 31.99 28.83 28.13 28.13 28.13 27.07 26.02
26.02 31.99 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 26.02 26.02 26.02 26.02 26.02
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 28.13 26.02 26.02 24.96
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 27.07 24.96 24.96 23.91
22.85 28.83 40.08 35.86 29.88 29.88 28.13 24.96 23.91 22.85 22.15
22.15 28.13 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 27.07 24.96 22.85 20.04 17.93
14.06 20.04 26.02 28.13 24.96 22.15 20.04 20.04 18.98 16.17 13.01
9.84 16.17 21.80 23.91 20.04 17.93 16.17 15.12 14.06 11.95 8.09
9.84 13.01 16.17 20.04 16.17 13.01 9.84 9.84 9.84 5.98 3.87
9.84 9.84 16.17 16.17 9.84 9.84 9.84 9.84 7.03 5.98 4.92

Another of the good VN chips is

apnx
28.13 30.94 34.10 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 26.02 27.07 28.13
28.13 31.99 35.86 34.10 31.99 29.88 28.13 27.07 26.02 27.07 27.07
27.07 30.94 35.86 35.86 31.99 28.83 28.13 27.07 26.02 26.02 26.02
26.02 31.99 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 26.02 24.96 23.91 23.91 23.91
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 28.13 28.13 26.02 23.91
24.96 30.94 40.08 34.10 29.88 29.88 28.13 27.07 26.02 24.96 23.91
22.85 28.83 40.08 35.86 29.88 29.88 28.13 24.96 22.15 22.15 22.15
22.15 28.13 40.08 34.10 29.88 28.13 27.07 24.96 22.85 20.04 16.88
14.06 20.04 26.02 28.13 24.96 22.15 20.04 20.04 18.98 16.17 14.06
9.84 16.17 21.80 23.91 20.04 17.93 16.17 15.12 14.06 11.95 9.84
9.84 16.17 17.93 20.04 16.17 13.01 9.84 9.84 7.03 5.98 4.92
9.84 14.06 16.17 16.17 9.84 9.84 9.84 9.84 7.03 5.98 4.92

Here's a random performance tune for the V6
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 31.99 30.94 30.23 30.23 30.23 29.88
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 31.99 31.99 30.94 30.23 30.23 30.23 29.88
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 32.34 32.34 30.94 30.23 30.23 30.23 29.88
29.88 49.92 43.95 35.16 32.34 32.34 30.94 30.23 30.23 28.48 28.13
29.88 54.14 48.16 36.91 31.99 32.70 31.64 30.94 30.94 28.83 28.13
29.88 56.95 45.00 36.91 34.10 35.51 34.80 32.70 31.29 28.83 27.42
29.88 54.84 41.84 36.91 34.10 34.10 33.05 30.23 29.18 27.77 26.72
29.88 48.87 43.95 35.16 34.10 34.10 30.94 29.18 29.18 26.37 24.61
20.04 48.16 45.00 35.16 31.29 28.48 23.91 25.31 24.26 22.85 20.74
20.04 48.16 42.89 30.94 27.07 23.55 21.80 20.04 19.69 18.63 16.17
20.04 40.08 37.97 30.94 27.07 23.20 21.80 21.80 17.23 14.77 14.06
20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 20.04 18.28 14.06 16.88 13.01 12.66 11.95

[RabidDog_12345]

cheers for that mate. much appreciated... one more thing, which deffintion file should i be using, im assuming your talking about the ECU file, im using the $5D one for both of these chips, also one more thing, i did a auto to manual conversion, now the computer that came with the conversion, is a 5litre computer, it just has a v6 memcal in it, but it looks to be out of a vr because the computer says the bin is BLCF, which i looked up and appears to be a VR manual v8, i didnt think a VR computer would work in the vn?

also i noticed that the baud rate for aldl with the Vr is also quicker than the vn, so if it is a vr computer will i get faster aldl???"

[greenfoam]

cheers for that mate. much appreciated... one more thing, which deffintion file should i be using, im assuming your talking about the ECU file, im using the $5D one for both of these chips, also one more thing, i did a auto to manual conversion, now the computer that came with the conversion, is a 5litre computer, it just has a v6 memcal in it, but it looks to be out of a vr because the computer says the bin is BLCF, which i looked up and appears to be a VR manual v8, i didnt think a VR computer would work in the vn?

also i noticed that the baud rate for aldl with the Vr is also quicker than the vn, so if it is a vr computer will i get faster aldl???"

You use the $A5 ecu file for ATFY I think $B1 is the same (but there is also a $5D version of ATFY around). If you have the VR manual computer you got lucky and if you run a VR manual V6 tune based on BLCD in that ecu then you can do high speed data logging with it, But the speed the memcal wants to run at much be the same as the ecu so that's why you will run the VR tune in your car besides it's a much better tune and everyone whos into tuning with a V6 runs BLCD as their base

[RabidDog_12345]

You use the $A5 ecu file for ATFY I think $B1 is the same (but there is also a $5D version of ATFY around). If you have the VR manual computer you got lucky and if you run a VR manual V6 tune based on BLCD in that ecu then you can do high speed data logging with it, But the speed the memcal wants to run at much be the same as the ecu so that's why you will run the VR tune in your car besides it's a much better tune and everyone whos into tuning with a V6 runs BLCD as their base

well i have the def file 16183082_$12_v2d_VR_man, so im guessin thats what i need for the VR manual tune, i also have BLCD.bin, how would i go about convertin this to run on the VN?, i just went and double checked. its def a 5.0litre BLCF manual, the ecu number is 16205098.

Edit: would you also have the $a5 file that you would be able to send me, would be much appreciated.

[immortality]

so for starters, you wanna copy the atfy spark map into the arbp bin. then, maybe fill her up with 95 instead of 91 and then carefully add in a little more spark advance again.

that random V6 tune wouldn't happen to be one of yours would it greenfoam? i note it has considerably more advance in some areas ofthe map. it would certainly explain why that lexcen of yours moves so fast

[RabidDog_12345]

so for starters, you wanna copy the atfy spark map into the arbp bin. then, maybe fill her up with 95 instead of 91 and then carefully add in a little more spark advance again.

that random V6 tune wouldn't happen to be one of yours would it greenfoam? i note it has considerably more advance in some areas ofthe map. it would certainly explain why that lexcen of yours moves so fast

i will do that cheers mate, but i still cant find a def file to open up the ATFY.bin, like greenfoam said, its not the correct def file for it, but the filename is ATFY 5D.bin so i would have thought it was the 5d, but i dont get the same figures as greenfoam when i open it with 5d

[greenfoam]

so for starters, you wanna copy the atfy spark map into the arbp bin. then, maybe fill her up with 95 instead of 91 and then carefully add in a little more spark advance again.

that random V6 tune wouldn't happen to be one of yours would it greenfoam? i note it has considerably more advance in some areas ofthe map. it would certainly explain why that lexcen of yours moves so fast

Nah that's just from one of the production car classes, but it's not alot different that the spark I used to run in the Lexcen, about 29 degrees is good for flat stick rpm and throttle but that does vary with each car a bit, for my Lexcen that was max power. But you still only have 1 degree more timing than stock on ATFY . on the VP I run about 10 degrees more than stock through most the full throttle area of the map, more in some places less in others but about 10 average I'd say and a fair bit more juice on the pump shot acceleration enrichment other than that most the rest of it is stock SV5000 converted into a VR/S binary.

Dog man the A5 xdf is attached, you can blame Hakhawk if its not complete since he spent hours and hours and days converting all the addresses from the A5 binary into the 5D xdf to make it

Also a good starting point for a good tune would be the random performance tune map into ASBY running premium or better , you probably wouldn't better that combination for a V6 tune in a long time

[RabidDog_12345]

Nah that's just from one of the production car classes, but it's not alot different that the spark I used to run in the Lexcen, about 29 degrees is good for flat stick rpm and throttle but that does vary with each car a bit, for my Lexcen that was max power. But you still only have 1 degree more timing than stock on ATFY . on the VP I run about 10 degrees more than stock through most the full throttle area of the map, more in some places less in others but about 10 average I'd say and a fair bit more juice on the pump shot acceleration enrichment other than that most the rest of it is stock SV5000 converted into a VR/S binary.

Dog man the A5 xdf is attached, you can blame Hakhawk if its not complete since he spent hours and hours and days converting all the addresses from the A5 binary into the 5D xdf to make it

Also a good starting point for a good tune would be the random performance tune map into ASBY running premium or better , you probably wouldn't better that combination for a V6 tune in a long time

thanks heaps for that mate, one more thing, i opened ATFY with the A5 def and im still not gettin the same timing numbers as you for some reason, if i open it in either 5D or A5 im still gettin different numbers to you? like in the A5 in ATFY at 100% and 4800 is 22.50, and like 40 degrees on 20%?

[immortality]

you could always just copy the numbers into the tune from the above post manually. does anybody have acopy of the asby bin, i'm currently running the arbp bin in my NZ VN and it's already better then the old leaded tune it was on. then i could always just copy those random tune figures into the asby bin with some 95 fuel and 14's here i come

[RabidDog_12345]

you could always just copy the numbers into the tune from the above post manually. does anybody have acopy of the asby bin, i'm currently running the arbp bin in my NZ VN and it's already better then the old leaded tune it was on. then i could always just copy those random tune figures into the asby bin with some 95 fuel and 14's here i come

sure do here ya go mate, you have to open it with A5

[immortality]

tried the A5$.zip above, must be corrupt cause it crahes tunerpro.

foam, is there any difference between the arbp and asby fuel maps? or can i just use the asby ignition map directly into the arbp bin and it should be sweet with 95ron fuel

[stocky]

would these spark maps be useful to me at all? if i place them in the non-boost part of my spark map i mean

[RabidDog_12345]

tried the A5$.zip above, must be corrupt cause it crahes tunerpro.

foam, is there any difference between the arbp and asby fuel maps? or can i just use the asby ignition map directly into the arbp bin and it should be sweet with 95ron fuel

yes the fuel maps are different between the ARBP and ASBY i just checked. its minimal but there is a difference. ill up the A5 file again and see if this one works
just unzip it and your good to go.

[immortality]

yes the fuel maps are different between the ARBP and ASBY i just checked. its minimal but there is a difference. ill up the A5 file again and see if this one works
just unzip it and your good to go.

cheers, i think it may have been a problem at my end, got it working this arvo, what engine was the asby tune for, s1 or s2?

[greenfoam]

Series one but they are both the same engine for all intents so either

[immortality]

Series one but they are both the same engine for all intents so either

so the asby tune should be alot beter then arbp on my s1 engine?

[14secvp]

. s1 and s2 engines have different cam intake a bellmouth and different exhaust manifolds for a start . ve is gonna be totally different timing curve different. look at 88green vn's thread about him having the series 2 tune in his s1 and it not going well

[greenfoam]

unimportant stuff, rumoured 2% worse cam, 2% better maniold 2% worse from the bellmouth, 4% better exhaust manifolds, close enough : ) the series 2 tune doesn't even go well in a series 2. The VE maps are close enough to exactly the same on all the V6 tunes no matter what model they were in. Even 5% difference in fuel ratios makes no real messurable difference in performance (you can go from 13:1 to 12:1 and only lose 2rwkw on the V6) 2 rwkw isn't worth losing sleep over. I've run all kinds of fuel maps on my VP at the drags and all been within .25 of a mph terminal speed and that's also only a couple of hp, it's quite easy to drop a few mph on the spark though

[immortality]

unimportant stuff, rumoured 2% worse cam, 2% better maniold 2% worse from the bellmouth, 4% better exhaust manifolds, close enough : ) the series 2 tune doesn't even go well in a series 2. The VE maps are close enough to exactly the same on all the V6 tunes no matter what model they were in. Even 5% difference in fuel ratios makes no real messurable difference in performance (you can go from 13:1 to 12:1 and only lose 2rwkw on the V6) 2 rwkw isn't worth losing sleep over. I've run all kinds of fuel maps on my VP at the drags and all been within .25 of a mph terminal speed and that's also only a couple of hp, it's quite easy to drop a few mph on the spark though

with my headers and 2.5" zorst + intake mods the ve table not going to suit mine anyways. think my best bet is the arbp tune with the asby ignition map and then maybe i'll just bring the whole VE map up a few points for the better breathing ability of my setup and go for gold with some 95 in it. need to data log so i can see whats happening with it me thinks

[Pub247]

with my headers and 2.5" zorst + intake mods the ve table not going to suit mine anyways. think my best bet is the arbp tune with the asby ignition map and then maybe i'll just bring the whole VE map up a few points for the better breathing ability of my setup and go for gold with some 95 in it. need to data log so i can see whats happening with it me thinks

Just wondering immortality what intake mods do you have?

[immortality]

Just wondering immortality what intake mods do you have?

fully shielded pod setup with CAI, exhaust shielding and thermal wrapped intake tube(check my ride for pics etc). made about 10hp and 9nm difference with the gtech over my previous standard filter box and K&N panel filter + cover for CAI

if ya go for a spin and check the intake when you stop it's a lot cooler then it use to be without the shielding etc

[Pub247]

fully shielded pod setup with CAI, exhaust shielding and thermal wrapped intake tube(check my ride for pics etc). made about 10hp and 9nm difference with the gtech over my previous standard filter box and K&N panel filter + cover for CAI

if ya go for a spin and check the intake when you stop it's a lot cooler then it use to be without the shielding etc

Ah ok i was going to look in your my ride thread but thought it might have been wiped due to the crash. When you said intake mods i was thinking more along the line of manifold mods. Those mods are good ideas and work well. is the intake pipe still the standard black plastic?