New Custom Air Intake System

[m3taL]

Hey Guys,

For those who are interested, im currently undergoing a Project.

I am Making a Over Radiator CAI with a New Airbox, which will be Housing a Saas POD Filter.

I know there are a lot of you out there who are Against the POD and its Exsistance but please let me have my go as iv got a K&N Highflow Panel Filter and a 90mm CAI Ducted into my Bodykit already. Just wana do somthing New and unique..

The Fisrt Pics are of the Airbox (approx 300L x 250w x 200 deep) it has been made of some med guage Zinc Steel (2mm) and basicly i have made it too big and then arranged things so it can fit so that i have the biggest area feesible without making it hit the radiator and etc.

The Second part of the project is the Abnormaly large CAI. its Approx 650mm Wide and 35mm high and about 230 deep (dont have a tape just trying to remember) and has been Made from light guage 1.2mm Gal.

The reasons behind the materials atm is that my boss is going to charge me for the alloy and this is what i have found behind the Gillo to make the proto type, once installed and working i will make one from 3, 2 and 1.2mm Marine grade alloy.

it is going to be a fiarly Ugly Piece of work, but i think it will be effective and it will allow me to finally get the Clubby Spottys in my front bar. and i think once i Powdercoat it (Prob Hammertone or glossy silver) it will look sweet. i am also concidering Swiping a piece of 5mm perspex that my boss cracked drilling with a sharp drill bit (even tho i told him it would crack) and making the top of the box from that enabling the visable effect of some nice LED's around the POD when the bonnet is open just for that "Wank Factor" cos we all need a lil of that sometime.

I will post more progression Pics over the next week where i will be working on the Pre-fit and then the Ally Piping running back upto my TB. i had a makeshifty in place with the old cai system but i think i will invest in some Silicone Bends instead of welding the Ally pipe i have as the sharp angles will restrict airflow.

Hope i have blown the wind up some skirts out there and if not.... who cares im excited

Jamo

[And_ROOS]

Will be interesting to see how this goes. Keep us updated!

[kniever]

that will be a nice big opening over the radiator and should look nice once you make the proper one and painted, and you should make it big enough to fit a vt k&n panel filter as they are a bigger surface area and will be better than a pod in there.

theres no point having a pod filter if it will be restricted by being in a box

[Emackulation]

Lol, been there and done that mate, so yeah, not unique. Also, if you say you've got yours connected to your front bar, leave it, because this is the best option.

[Cobez]

That's how i have mine ^^^^, because pods need to be as fully exposed to the atmosphere as possible, not crammed into little boxes where they don't recieve as much air. The entire surface of the pod filter needs to be exposed to cold air / cooler air to get maximum results. Mine down in my front bar works a treat, mine has the same kind of holes on the left and right side as Mack's front bar does (cept mine is a senator front bar) and the pod sits just behind those holes, so when driving, it cops the full brunt of the air rushing into that hole.

No walls or anything preventing any surface from getting air, the entire surface is exposed to colder than engine bay air. Works a treat. When using air boxes in your engine bay, the best bet is to use a flat panel. Best option as Mack said, is to rig your poddy up in your front bar mate, and your front bar would provide adequate ventilation for a pod, maybe rig it up so it sits where the fog lights go in the VT clubby front bar............


But yeah, the sealed off pod in a box thing has been done a million times, yet it doesn't work as good as it when it sits in the front bar. Not trying to bring you down, but if you want results and not wank factor, go with the front bar set up.

[89 vn]

An enclosed pod will 'work' but it would need alot of air fed into it all the time. Putting a pod hanging by the wheel arch is a no go for me, definately not enough room how can you fit yours? cos its a vp?

[Cobez]

Not sure dude. Probably because i have a bodykit and my frontbar is a VP senator front bar, i'm pretty sure they have more room in them. I'm assuming you have an exec or similar front bar....??? I have enough room to loosen the pod from it's piping IN the front bar and take it out for cleaning and oiling too. Only reason i did it is because of the factory front bar holes (like the group a ones on either side of the bar). The exec bars aren't QUITE the same as they don't have the holes. That hole in the front bar with the red square around it, BEHIND that hole is my poddy:

[STEALTHY™]

A pod is only less efficient when sitting in a hot engine bay sucking in hot air.

Housed in a box, its the same as a panel filter.

[calaiscruzer]

Good work, but i'd be worried that the metal will heat up and just make the cold air hot. Maybe do a prototype, then replicate in fibreglass, or carbon fibre would be best.

[Cobez]

So therefore using a panel filter would just be easier........???

I felt i had slightly tighter throttle with a pod as opposed to a flat panel. Both are K&N.

[STEALTHY™]

Good work, but i'd be worried that the metal will heat up and just make the cold air hot. Maybe do a prototype, then replicate in fibreglass, or carbon fibre would be best.

If it was a V8, i would think that. But being a V6, i'd assume the engine bay wouldn't be hot enough to heat it up, before its fed into the motor. The air will still be coming from the front of the vehicle, not inside the engine bay as most people seem to mount their pods.

So therefore using a panel filter would just be easier........???

I felt i had slightly tighter throttle with a pod as opposed to a flat panel. Both are K&N.

All your gaining is the sucking noise. Its been proven that a panel filter is better than a pod setup.
If the pod is enclosed, its basically the same effect as the panel filter, except you've wasted money for nothing, unless its aesthetically pleasing

[Cobez]

So any "tighter throttle" would only be a placebo effect? I do notice the pod in the front bar works great though, especially when it's icy cold outside! I just make sure i clean it every week with a K&N recharge kit.

[STEALTHY™]

So any "tighter throttle" would only be a placebo effect? I do notice the pod in the front bar works great though, especially when it's icy cold outside! I just make sure i clean it every week with a K&N recharge kit.

If you didn't know the pod was there, you wouldn't have noticed a thing.

Its all in the mind, just like octane booster effects.

[calaiscruzer]

Well i had a standard black OTR from s/c VS, and that got pretty hot,probably over 40deg plastic, im presuming metal would get alot hotter..

[Cobez]

Metal takes longer to heat up that plastic though. But takes longer to cool down once very hot. I suppose metal would be the way to go. Either way.

[STEALTHY™]

Well i had a standard black OTR from s/c VS, and that got pretty hot,probably over 40deg plastic, im presuming metal would get alot hotter..

The temp is irrelevant, the 'cold' air is still cold. Even at 40 degrees, thats not enough to heat up air moving at so many feet per second.

Mine is a V8, and even after sitting for hours, its still too hot to touch (yes, the CAI, not the metal covers).

[calaiscruzer]

Yeah it does suck pretty fast hey, guess wouldnt make much diff then..
yeah looks good M3tal, how long did all that take to do??

[sircruisealotVS]

All your gaining is the sucking noise. Its been proven that a panel filter is better than a pod setup.
If the pod is enclosed, its basically the same effect as the panel filter, except you've wasted money for nothing, unless its aesthetically pleasing

*cough* bull****! *cough*

[Emackulation]

The temp is irrelevant, the 'cold' air is still cold. Even at 40 degrees, thats not enough to heat up air moving at so many feet per second.

Mine is a V8, and even after sitting for hours, its still too hot to touch (yes, the CAI, not the metal covers).

This is my theory aswell, even if the metal does heat, the rate that the air is traveling though there is too fast to make any difference.

[STEALTHY™]

*cough* bull****! *cough*

What a fantastic constructive post.


Feel free to prove me wrong.

[sircruisealotVS]

What a fantastic constructive post.


Feel free to prove me wrong.

feel free to show me where "its been proven that a panel filter is better than a pod filter" then.

[STEALTHY™]

I'm talking from my own experiences using them, and theres countless people who have also had the same results.


Its not hard to work out, hot air into motor = less performance.

Would you like to argue that?

[sircruisealotVS]

ahh k then, so its not proven - just your opinion. rightio then.

also - its not quite fair to compare the best possible scenario for a panel filter (enclosed cai) to the worst possible scenario for a pod (swing around free in the hot engine bay) and say the pod is crap, that is just ignorance.

using the same scenarios in both - which is enclosed, with large supply of ducted fresh air from external to the engine bay, then the pod it going to work better and supply better performance results.
these results would be miniscule on a stock or near stock engine - but for a hot n/a or f/i engine the results speak for themselves.

[m3taL]

Well, i didnt mean to Start a **** Slinging Post heh.. but i can see some good points from all.

The Reasons Behind Doing a Over Rad was so i can Put the spotties in my front bar.

The reasons for metal is that im a sheety

the reson for the pod is that i found it easier to house a pod rather than a Panel filter in the type of box i am making if it works and looks aiite i will maybe make a Box to fit a panel filter.. but the sucking noise from a v6 is minimal anyways.

My Theory on POD vs Panel in an enclosed box is the amount of air the CAI will bring into the box will be Thrice the air the engine will use dont hold me to that.

i have Min 30mm clearance around the whole pod and about 90mm on one side allowing for extra air storage for the take off. i am sure once im moving 20+ kmh there will be air being fed into the box enough for the pod to not be restricted.

Just one more observation the Noise a pod makes.. the sucking is the Air going into the engine. thus being louder means less restriction hence a pod in a "Well Sized" Enclosure with Adequate Air Ventilation from a CAI Setup weather it be over RAD or Frontbar intake could possibly have better effect than a Panel... i think the actual KW gain would be Un Noticeable between the two and has no relivance to the subject...

i guess its what floats ur boat

Putting a POD on after having a std paper filter and No CAI will Feel much more throttley but the hot engine bay air is like going for a jog with ur jocks on ur face....

its only taken me like a weeks worth of Lunch breaks to do and a few hours at home. most of the time was spent trying to make it as big as i could and have it still fit.. and trust me atm i think im about 10mm too big everywhere... but i will persevere when these tossers in there XR8's stop doing blockies in my court... might go out there next time and smack them one or drop a lockie at there house at 5am tomorrow morning on the way to work.

[STEALTHY™]

I never said they were crap, read my post again.

I specifically listed all scenarios, Panel filter, Enclosed pod, and normal pod.


An enclosed pod will perform the same as a panel filter.


Also, its not my opinion, its called experience. An opinion is your thoughts on something, i've personally tried each setup, and found no performance increase by having the pod enclosed compared to a panel filter, and a panel filter looks much better.