pre ecotec vs ecotec

[anothervn]

probly the wrong place to put this being a vn-vp nutters all around lol

but what do you reckons honestly is better

vn vp vr motors or ecotecs?

[sircruisealotVS]

haha, gee being in the VN-VP section i wonder what everyone will say
what grounds are you basing "better" on though?
power - ecotec
economy - ecotec (although only a bees dick)
sound/exhaust note - buick
reliability - buick (more crap to go wrong on the eco)

overall - probably the ecotec - all bias aside (ive owned two buick powered commodores previously), but depends what you mean by better...

[Cobez]

Meh, either way. They are both V6's. It's not like comparing a 5 litre to a Gen3.

But yeah, i suppose a Buick for the zorst note as ^^^ said.

[vnv8driver]

definately the ecotec, there more powerful, got more torque and can be bought cheap with low km's

[greenfoam]

Both in the same car the ecotec is the better motor, sort of.... The bottom end on the early motor is stronger/better but the ecotec has much better heads and manifold so it makes more power and will respond to breathing mods where the early V6 wont. You can't really do anything with the VN-VR motors NA unless you port the heads first. If you are comparing them in the car they came out with then they are both about the same due to the shonky maf ecu and more weight in the later cars but in the end they are both pretty nasty motors (stands back)

[orreal511]

Buik engine very simple not as much to go wrong, ecotec as said more power and cheap. although i did hear that the vs series 1 ecotec suck.

[vnv8driver]

go a vy v6 with auto straight out of a wreck, the transmissions seem to be better than the early 4l60e's. stuff getting a motor from a car that came out of the 90's and has 200,000 on the clock.

[89 vn]

That an Alloytec 190? anyone heard of someone putting an alloytec in a vn/vp beside that ben hosking from SC?

[Emackulation]

That an Alloytec 190? anyone heard of someone putting an alloytec in a vn/vp beside that ben hosking from SC?

Nope, because real men wouldn't bother with replacing a V6 with another V6...lol.

[89 vn]

Yeah but what does that engine produce isnt it 190kw? his is also twin turbo'd now.

[Emackulation]

Yeah but what does that engine produce isnt it 190kw? his is also twin turbo'd now.

Yeah 190kw, but if your going to the trouble of putting abother engine in you mayaswel put in a LS1/2, then turbo it. He probably only done the Alloytec to be different for the Zine. Any normal person would put in a V8.

[fitzy2005]

haha, gee being in the VN-VP section i wonder what everyone will say
what grounds are you basing "better" on though?
power - ecotec
economy - ecotec (although only a bees dick)
sound/exhaust note - buick
reliability - buick (more crap to go wrong on the eco)

overall - probably the ecotec - all bias aside (ive owned two buick powered commodores previously), but depends what you mean by better...

ive had a vn, vr, vs (ecotec) motors in my vr

both the vn and vr motor seemd to have had oil pressure issues, and just arent smooth like the ecotec.

lot say ecotec is ****, but with the 5speed behind it its by far the best for me so far

but then ive got a vt aswel with ecotec and an auto and its slows as!

[Kaindya]

ecotecs are smoother and longer lasting but dont have the same throttle response as the pre ecotecs, and when put side by side quarter mile or 0-100, ecotecs arnt too much quicker.... as said earlier.. ive heard the MAF sensors on the vs let them down..

[Full Spectrum]

Own both motors in VP and VT.

VP, Low down grunt with an exhaust raw sounds great. Has more noise rattles etc drinks more. Still beats the Ecotec 2 100.

VT, Builds up power revs easy with a good system can sound very nice. Much quieter engine drinks less. More refined better running motor to be honest.

[vnv8driver]

the 'off the mark' acceleration is all the buick has over the ecotec. the buicks just dont produce the power and especially torque by todays standards, which is quite low, alot of stock 4 cylinders will beat a vn v6 for god sake(argue but its true)! if you want to know which engine you should put in your vn-vp (since its in this thread) then go the ecotec, it will last longer, yield better economy, go faster and be less hasstle on the road. the only bad side of it is the cost of putting the ecotec in there!

[VH commodore]

ive had a vn, vr, vs (ecotec) motors in my vr

both the vn and vr motor seemd to have had oil pressure issues, and just arent smooth like the ecotec.

lot say ecotec is ****, but with the 5speed behind it its by far the best for me so far

but then ive got a vt aswel with ecotec and an auto and its slows as!

i found our auto vt to be quicker than a mates vt manual...only difference between them is ours is a series 2, i heard they weigh a bit less??

[Emackulation]

If I were to choose, it would probably be the ecotec because its a newer engine, thats basically all.

[vnv8driver]

i found our auto vt to be quicker than a mates vt manual...only difference between them is ours is a series 2, i heard they weigh a bit less??

the series 1 vt's used the vs commodore ecotec, the vt series 2 had a revised vs motor to produce a little more power.

[immortality]

the 'off the mark' acceleration is all the buick has over the ecotec. the buicks just dont produce the power and especially torque by todays standards, which is quite low, alot of stock 4 cylinders will beat a vn v6 for god sake(argue but its true)! if you want to know which engine you should put in your vn-vp (since its in this thread) then go the ecotec, it will last longer, yield better economy, go faster and be less hasstle on the road. the only bad side of it is the cost of putting the ecotec in there!

s1 VN rule. i'll put mine up against any buick and ecotec with only basic bolt on mods(like mine) and win. ahhhh a 4cyl beat me, maybe some real hypo ones or with factory turbos etc 0-100 is all that counts as it is the legal speed limit.
the ecotec responds well in early commodores because it doesn't have that extra weight to push like in the later models. also the MAP based system is much better then MAF unfortunatly for you guys in australia it is a illegal mod (converting from MAF to MAP that is)

the s2 VT ecotecs made more power primarily because of the revised and much better PCM

[vnv8driver]

i raced a corolla sportivo in my old vn v6 s1 (quite healthy) and he beat me, this was years ago though when i was on my p's

[Astranomical]

Personally, if I had a choice between the two, I'd go for the Ecotec. Mostly because its a newer engine, you've got a better chance of finding one that hasn't been thrashed, and to me at least they just seem to be a smoother engine, and because, as everyone else has said, they're more powerful, while being more economical than the old Buick.

Just a shame that they sound like **** compared to the Buick.

[padrickz88]

the ecotec engine is better and more refined...... but i drive a vn so i dont like refined and smooth

rattly and rough for me....

[Morton]

i dont like refined and smooth

rattly and rough for me....

hear hear! Nothing like the sound of a VP dashboard vibrating to the pulse of an idling buick donk.

[vnv8driver]

i put up with it for a few years but got sick and tired of all the clunks rattles and groans.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

If you want a smooth engine, you buy a 5 litre.....Smoother than any V6 will ever be!