supercharges for my vp

[VPS2V6]

ive been looking at superchargers for a bit the main brands i have been looking at are yellaterra and raptor S/C and they all seem to be around the same price which is 4-5k is this the price im gonna get for most supercharges if there are any cheaper please let me know but please also tell me if it is worth buying them or is it worth paying extra

cheers

[beefcream]

you can get the raptors etc or the only other real option is the SC14. that would be a hell of a lot cheaper and still give ok power. look that up and search ebay

[savage1987]

there is a cheaper option assuming your VP is a V6 ... but nobody likes an SC14.

[VPS2V6]

yer its a 6

[stocky]

there is a cheaper option assuming your VP is a V6 ... but nobody likes an SC14.

no. correction. you dont like the sc14. dont spread crap

[cracker]

turbo.....

[VPS2V6]

you can get the raptors etc or the only other real option is the SC14. that would be a hell of a lot cheaper and still give ok power. look that up and search ebay

are ur vy ss rims still for sale

[savage1987]

no. correction. you dont like the sc14. dont spread crap

oh damn, harsh dude

Nobody I know likes an SC14. They're a terrible design imo

[stocky]

oh damn, harsh dude

Nobody I know likes an SC14. They're a terrible design imo

you ever driven a car with one, or even seen one?

[savage1987]

Nup and I won't either, with the advice I've been given. Let's not make this in any way a me vs you thing, I love your car and I can understand that one man's bread is another man's poison.... anyway mate let's leave it as this: you like the SC14, I don't. Agree to disagree

Sam

[stocky]

but that makes no sense if youve got no reason to. sounds like your getting your advice from morons that go with the whole "they came off a 2 litre" arguement, and i cant be bothered explaining how theyre pretty much the same size as the m90 on the l67 and all the other facts that prove those morons wrong. its pretty much proven that theyre the cheapest way to make power out of a v6, and to go around telling people that theyre crap is just misguiding them in their attempts to get a bit of power out of their v6.

all i can say is, with a 10 psi sc14, traction is impossible on a semi-hard launch

[Emackulation]

Stockys just cranky because he stuffed his engine with the SC14, and has no side indicators. lol.

[stocky]

stuffed the engine? its low on compression, but its probably always been like that

[savage1987]

but that makes no sense if youve got no reason to. sounds like your getting your advice from morons that go with the whole "they came off a 2 litre" arguement, and i cant be bothered explaining how theyre pretty much the same size as the m90 on the l67 and all the other facts that prove those morons wrong. its pretty much proven that theyre the cheapest way to make power out of a v6, and to go around telling people that theyre crap is just misguiding them in their attempts to get a bit of power out of their v6.

all i can say is, with a 10 psi sc14, traction is impossible on a semi-hard launch

Yeah mate lots of things can give you traction issues in first, not really too tricky... I do understand they're a cheap way of getting some more power out of the old V6 but you'll just end up moving to a real supercharger anyway when you realise that trying to get any more than 10psi or so will destroy the supercharger pretty quickly. I don't think it's a bad thing that they came from a 2L motor, just that the design isn't up there with most aftermarket systems available today.

By all means look into an SC14 if you're looking for power out of your V6, I just personally wouldn't.

Sam

[stocky]

Yeah mate lots of things can give you traction issues in first, not really too tricky... I do understand they're a cheap way of getting some more power out of the old V6 but you'll just end up moving to a real supercharger anyway when you realise that trying to get any more than 10psi or so will destroy the supercharger pretty quickly. I don't think it's a bad thing that they came from a 2L motor, just that the design isn't up there with most aftermarket systems available today.

By all means look into an SC14 if you're looking for power out of your V6, I just personally wouldn't.

Sam

im sure many things would affect traction in first, but why dont you try drive a sc14 blown car before commenting on them. you can lose traction in 3rd from a standstill with a spooled manual car easily. bit trickier to match that? and what do you mean a real supercharger? what isnt real about them? theyre a roots charger that is designed the same as any other roots charger. they might not be as efficient as other chargers, but they can still give good power on the right setup. a lot of aftermarket chargers arent that great anyway and dont give any torque at all. youve really gotta start doing some research, or actually drive a supercharged car before you start giving opinions about them, instead of stating what "youve heard" about them

[VN_Luke]

"horses for courses"

sc14 positives:
- 7psi @ 1200rpm...
- 10psi @ 2000rpm....
- 0-60mph in high 4/low 5 seconds
- BULK bottom end torque....
- cheap and easy to setup
- extremely street friendly to drive
- don't need big revs on a stock motor to get the thing moving
- plenty of support available (tunes etc also available!)
- RELIABLE (my setup was on my car for almost 2 years? and has been on a mates car for another year or so now... with no dramas )

sc14 negatives:
- bad rep
- noisy (unless throttle installed before blower, in which case it's 'apparently' quiet - seems like this mod HAS to take off at some stage.. just waiting on someone to do more R&D)
- limited in power output so far, with seemingly noone wishing to push the envelope further with a bit more R&D - seems around just over 200rwkw is about the max at the moment? on 10psi with stock motors.


My personal opinion is that they're a fantastic and great value for money way of getting a fair bit of poke from your v6!

You could do the whole setup now for about $2-3k if you're handy with a spanner (or buy one ready to go!), which is, as far as I know.. is the cheapest way to make your stock v6 run a consistant 13 sec 1/4 mile pass, and be remarkably easy/friendly to drive on the street.

I switched from the sc14 setup I had because of two things - the noise and the cap in power.

The noise can apparently be resolved by putting the throttle body in front of the charger, I've never heard a car with that done, but apaprently it gets VERY good results, and if I still had the setup, it would have been done ages ago

The cap in power was the main deciding factor. The thing is - the high 100/low 200 rwkw mark is a LOT of power, and with this p.d. blower - a LOT of usable toruqe/rev range... in a relatively light car! - we're talking easy 3rd gear spooled burnouts, and wheelspinning in every single gear in the wet!

Of course the problem is - once the bug bites, you'll want more and more power - no matter how much you have - for me, I ended up switching to a completely different motor that has been proven to run the numbers I want time and time again.

And unfortunately to make any more power than this setup can offer will start costing you big bucks - whether it be in doing a turbo/more potent supercharger setup on your v6, then building the auto/manual box to handle it etc, or buying a v8 powered machine (or something equivalent) and starting with a better base.... either way it'll cost you big bucks

so - in conclusion:

If you're happy with your car being able to run a 13 second 1/4 mile pass, and you want to do it in the most cost-effective way:
- buy a pre-loved, all done SC14 setup (there's one for sale on this site at the moment, PM centurion)
- fit a 'pre blower' throttle body kit on it
- drive & enjoy.

If you want your v6 to run faster than a 13 sec pass and don't mind spending the extra few grands
- buy one of the other supercharger kits (they are all good products!)
- build/buy a turbo setup (seen some promising numbers with these! but not very common yet so will need a fair bit of R&D)

if you seriously want to build a fast car [< 12 sec!], cost effectively
- do some research and buy a better base to start from.

[savage1987]

Stocky, I've driven plenty of supercharged cars mate, sixes and eights, Fords and Holdens, just not with the SC14. I'm not having a go mate, just saying that I personally won't go near one, I'd buy a Raptor, for example, first.

If the SC14 has worked fine for you that's awesome, but it's not a supercharger I'd consider, as I'd be looking for something I can take a bit further in terms of power development.

Sam

[stocky]

but power readouts mean nothing. raptors are no good for getting 1/4 mile times and thats what i wanted - power i could put down on the street, not a dyno chart i can show my mates to prove i have 200rwkw

[savage1987]

That's fair, still other options for good low down torque, other aftermarket PD blowers are out there.

Aside from the 'which blower' debate, I won't be chasing power from my six anyway, if I do go down the power road in my VN it'll be with a 5L or an LS1, they make a far more sensible starting point.

Sam

[stocky]

yeah they are a better starting point, and probably the best PD blower would be the whipple. real good design there. but its just the price issue thats all. not gonna go blow 5 grand or whatever on a blower for a v6. sc14 is just a cheap option for a cheap engine

[savage1987]

when you put it like that i completely agree sorry if i offended

[Bz Kn33z]

lol so has the debate ended :P i take that back i think it will continue for many years to come.