VN VQ VG VP History Thread

[88GreenVN]

Love the change of title

Yep - not too much on the VG VQ or VP - so what ever little info/photos that can be dug up will be great to add in here.

Go for it Stealthy - and welcome to all the VP VG and VQ owners

[vp_304]

Heres some more pics for you guys i found of my pc.

[88GreenVN]

Heres some more pics for you guys i found of my pc.

Now thats what I'm talking about A VN prototype with the VL Turbo. Fantastic!!

You have to tell us what mag that came out of - so I can get one

[Emackulation]

Heres some more pics for you guys i found of my pc.

Nice input! Can you scan the Senator one a bit better so we can read the text? Also, can you confirm that the Senator 5000i dosn't have 4 bolt mains?

[88GreenVN]

The VP's with 4 bolt mains in the HSV book I have are the GTS (130) and the Clupsport 5000i (50)

It was noted that the high output engine was an option but did not say if it was a 4 bolt job.

So thats at least 180 4 bolt motors into the VP range

VK prefix (4 bolt mains) info I have is 149 engine numbers recorded from VK589705 to VK614954

[VN_Luke]

Now thats what I'm talking about A VN prototype with the VL Turbo. Fantastic!!

You have to tell us what mag that came out of - so I can get one

I knew it!!!

YES YES YES ..... x 40,000,0000


except that VN looks pretty short wheelbase

maybe like... a VL turbo wheelbase

:S

[88GreenVN]

I knew it!!!

YES YES YES ..... x 40,000,0000


except that VN looks pretty short wheelbase

maybe like... a VL turbo wheelbase

:S

Just loked at the pic again - Car Australia Feb.......

I still make it a VN body as in the doors - but may well be a VL mule as it was back in late 87 early 88

[Emackulation]

The VP's with 4 bolt mains in the HSV book I have are the GTS (130) and the Clupsport 5000i (50)

It was noted that the high output engine was an option but did not say if it was a 4 bolt job.

So thats at least 180 4 bolt motors into the VP range

VK prefix (4 bolt mains) info I have is 149 engine numbers recorded from VK589705 to VK614954

Thank god someone backs me up! I was having a discussion with some people telling them that Senator 5000i's DIDN'T have 4 bolters, but they insisted they did.

[Reaper]

Thank god someone backs me up! I was having a discussion with some people telling them that Senator 5000i's DIDN'T have 4 bolters, but they insisted they did.

Engine numbers will tell the story. I only know of the GTS and Clubby 5000i's myself.

Reaper

[VN_Luke]

Just loked at the pic again - Car Australia Feb.......

I still make it a VN body as in the doors - but may well be a VL mule as it was back in late 87 early 88

I call VL mule.... or something along those lines. looks approx 60-70mm too short ....

[88GreenVN]

Engine numbers will tell the story. I only know of the GTS and Clubby 5000i's myself.

Reaper

Yep spot on - any one calling a VP senator 5000i a 4 bolt main engine will need to produce a VK prefix to confirm.

If the high output engine was an option then there is no way of nowing how many were made. If the "500" 4 bolters is correct and they made 302 group A's and 180 VP's with them then there is 18 other motors "floating around" in cars.

[Astranomical]

Heres some more pics for you guys i found of my pc.

Very interesting...I like the Stato grille that that Calais prototype has!

[Reaper]

Yep spot on - any one calling a VP senator 5000i a 4 bolt main engine will need to produce a VK prefix to confirm.

If the high output engine was an option then there is no way of nowing how many were made. If the "500" 4 bolters is correct and they made 302 group A's and 180 VP's with them then there is 18 other motors "floating around" in cars.

There will be way more than 18 motors "floating around" as a number would have been cast for warranty repairs/replacements and their racing program which requried factory (all be it hand picked) castings at the time. Some may have found their way into cars for the bigwigs with a wink and nod.

Reaper

[88GreenVN]

Just because the VP Senator 5000i could have a 200kw engine over the 180kw - this did not mean it got the 4 bolt mains VK prefix engine. I think the VP GTS was rated at 200kws but had the VK prefix.

[Reaper]

Just because the VP Senator 5000i could have a 200kw engine over the 180kw - this did not mean it got the 4 bolt mains VK prefix engine. I think the VP GTS was rated at 200kws but had the VK prefix.

There were many models with 200kw motors however most only had 2 bolt mains. The **only** reason the VN Group A got them was to homologate them for racing. Even with 2 bolt mains the motors were very reliable in stock/mild street trim. IIRC most of the stroker guys say not to bother going 4 bolt unless you are spinning over 6500 rpm with a highly modified engine (ake race application).

Reaper

[88GreenVN]

There will be way more than 18 motors "floating around" as a number would have been cast for warranty repairs/replacements and their racing program which requried factory (all be it hand picked) castings at the time. Some may have found their way into cars for the bigwigs with a wink and nod.

Reaper

If the 500 engines was the number made then there would be a "minimum" of 18 left over for other cars as an optional fit. And yes some statesmans got VK prefix engines - but I have no proof of this as yet. I'll keep looking for them for when they get wrecked.

Did a 4 bolt mains block have to have a 4 bolt mains cap fitted? or could it have a std unit?

[Reaper]

If the 500 engines was the number made then there would be a "minimum" of 18 left over for other cars as an optional fit. And yes some statesmans got VK prefix engines - but I have no proof of this as yet. I'll keep looking for them for when they get wrecked.

Did a 4 bolt mains block have to have a 4 bolt mains cap fitted? or could it have a std unit?

I couldn't imagine why they would remove the main cap and put a 2 bolt one there. Reference pic of my VK motor that is about to get a freshen up.

[88GreenVN]

I couldn't imagine why they would remove the main cap and put a 2 bolt one there. Reference pic of my VK motor that is about to get a freshen up.

Great photos of the 4 bolts

So the block and caps went together as a unit - as in they would not have used the spare blocks with 2 bolt caps and stamped them as SVU or CVU to use in the Statesman and Caprices. The 4 bolt main castings would have to have been used for the VK prefix and nothing else. Just crossed my mind and I've not had one to play with - as you have.

The last V8 motor I got to play with was my VB 253..... Long time ago...

[Morton]

For those of you curious about the VQ front end on the Calais prototypes, here's the car they were based on:

[88GreenVN]

For those of you curious about the VQ front end on the Calais prototypes, here's the car they were based on:

Is that a "VQ International" style boot lip I see in that photo

[Morton]

It sure is

Also note the identical window trim and gutter moulds!

[needwork2-4fillhabbit]

I want the wipers on the headlights, i reckon i could grow to like that grille. Hmmm. Dont like the rubber trolley moulds but.

[Emackulation]

What a hideous car!

[calais_cruzin]

Ohh its not too bad eh, i rather the side mirrors on it

bonnet is a bit wierd tho

[needwork2-4fillhabbit]

Ohh its not too bad eh, i rather the side mirrors on it

bonnet is a bit wierd tho

Yeah that and the colour makes the windscreen look really high above the side window line.