Clutch Burning On 3rd Gear Wheel Spin?

[social]

Hey guys,
Recently i got game enough to kick into 3rd gear on wheel spin the wet (going from 1st spinning to 2nd and then to 3rd obviously) but i notice once i hit third (which only last for about 3-5 seconds) i smell burning clutch afterwards, btw the car is a VR V6 T5 manual. Can someone shine some light on this or is it so that the car isnt supposed to be able to be kicked 3rd gear on that kind of power running off of the engine? Its a heavy duty clutch, maybe it slips? Dont understand becuase i drive my car fairly hard regularly (but tkae care of her lol) and shes never had any clutch burning probs in the past when high rev gear changes driving normally (not wheel spin).
Cheers,
Social.

[GetToDaChopa]

What the hell. Is this another one of those threads.

... And some people take things to seriously as if i'm trying to offend them personally with my comments and start attacking other people. "Go cry in the corner" ? No hard feeling mate, obviously some people have different opinions (that includes me) this is what i felt when i looked at the post.

"If you want to get your post count up" Well why else do i talk, well to get my post count up of-course. Sorry for wasting space on your thread though, if you feel that it is then that's fine.

[azzfox]

What the hell. Is this another one of those threads.

Not really. Ignore the part about the wheelspin (or even better, have a cry in the corner) and you will see that theres a problem at hand - clutch slipping when it shouldnt be.

Thats a tough one without inspecting the clutch. Do you ride it alot? The friction material could be burnt, or even just worn out! It shouldn't slip ever. I stuck a brand new heavy duty clutch in mine when I did the conversion and it does 2nd in the dry no probs.

... I could babble on for a few lines and make you look the bad person too. Im just sick of the same few people whinging whenever someone starts a new thread. So what if it may not contain an A-grade topic, or has references to "hoon" activities. Its a forum, on the internet, suck it up.

And posting just to get your post count up is silly. Post counts are for useful posts, hence why they dont apply in the pub. Of course not every post is useful, but you catch my drift.

[immortality]

how often do you engage the clutch with the engine at full revs and your foot burried? how quickly did you changer from 1st to 2nd to 3rd. with each gear change your clutch heats up. if you do this real quick witout giving the clutch some time to recover it will let you know about it.

[S2_VR_]

whats an alright HD Clutch worth??

[Chris E]

Got my exedy heavy duty for around the 300$ mark

[calais_cruzin]

Im backin Immortality with the heat.

Been driving in a R33 of a mate, it did the same thing to him.
But when i drove it i let it peak out a bit longer between changes n it was fine

[GTP 85]

Stock they barely have enough power to spin 2nd anyway, so maybe you're asking a bit much of it to spin third. (i'm asuming your car is a single wheeler?)

Did you fit the heavy duty clutch yourself? or do you think it is HD? I have only ever witnessed near new stock clutches slipping, as their clamp force is weak as piss. (of course HD may also slip with extra power loading)

If you fitted your HD clutch, did you machine your flywheel?- if not machined, a new clutch place will not mate properly and will glaze up. OR did notice any oil leaks when you fitted it?- oil off the rear main seal can drip on the clutch assembly and cause problems.

[VN_Luke]

In theory, clutches are simply NOT MEANT for that kind of use. - you're asking a lot of it (for what it is). - although slipping a clutch before a tyre in the wet is a bit strange. (i.e. you likely have an issue other than just 'clutch not meant for it')

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you drive the car 'hard' - for clutches, driving the car 'hard' means lots of clutch slip (riding clutch in traffic, riding clutch into gears etc), and lots of 'abuse' - i.e. redline clutch dumps.

riding the clutch will cause a clutch to start slipping much quicker than it should (a normal clutch driven normally lasts like 70,000km's? - someone correct me if i'm wrong). - this is because every time you 'ride' the clutch, you're generating heat, wearing components, and wearing the friction material off the clutch as it slips against the pressure plate & flywheel.

Revving it and dropping the clutch won't really wear friction material as such - but it is likely to cause a whole bunch of drivetrain issues - broken axles, broken gearboxes, broken clutch springs, broken unis, etc etc etc.

Anyway - generally, as a clutch wears, it will start slipping only on rough gear changes or on clutch dumps - this is because it has to work much much harder in order to try clamp that engine rpm->drivetrain rpm difference, as opposed to just 'holding' the lot together. - the bigger the difference (and the harder to turn the tyres instead of the clutch - i.e. 3rd instead of 1st) - the higher the chance your clutch will slip on a gearchange/clutch dump.

anyway, i hope some of that crap answered at least part of your question - as for how to fix it; here's the checklist:

oil on the clutch surface is the most common cause of clutch slip.
- do you have a rear main leak? or perhaps a gearbox front seal leak? - if so, there's your problem.
- as already posted above - non machined flywheel or pressure plate could also explain it.
- furthermore, how is your clutch cable adjustment? where is your engagement point on the pedal? right up the top, or down the bottom?
- how many km's on the clutch?

Worst case scenario you're up for a new clutch - best case scenario it'll be a bit of cable adjustment.

[social]

hey guys,
cheers for the replies, opened alot onto my mind, as to answer a few, i drive my car hard as in i change above 3k rpm regularly, i dont neccessarily drop the clutch just drive hard, no slipping or anything. Its a HD clutch and yes i fitted it myself, flywheel wasnt machined and no there was no oil present. I change the gears from 1st into second after about 2-3secs and then probs about the same time into 3rd not too fast yet i dont redline it. shes a open wheeler and the clutch cable is adjusted correctly. Im probably just going to go with the fact that the clutch isnt designed for such brutalness, just didnt expect it to be a problem.

As for the just another one of these threads reply, if you want to go get your post count up somewhere without wasting my thread space go make a thread and keep asking yourself quesitons then answering them again it aint making you more popluar pissing other people off with stupid opinionated remarks, i asked a logical quesiton if all you got to say is shit, go shut the **** up yea?.. and ofcourse if you checkup on this thread and want to reply to this comment, make sure you know that i hoenstly dont have any mindset on giving a crap about what you have to say...

Cheers boys.

[immortality]

the standard HD clutch is basically a uprated pressure plate but still a standard organic clutch plate. these don't like to much heat. once they are burnt they are stuffed.

i think it was simply the fact that you changed gears quickly from 1st to 2nd to 3rd not giving the plate lining to cool some before the next onslaught of heat from a high rpm gear change. although, a single pegger in the wet should have eliminated any form of traction