Design for my air intake. Any good?

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 02:48 PM

Well i finally ripped out my gas mixer because its a piece of it sh*t along with the converter that doesn't work, so i had to rebuild the intake. I ended up doing it like this. Just wondering if this set up is any good or if i should put it in a different orientation, and is there a way to make the ecu re-learn as i got a feeling its still set to a gas setup. Im gonna be getting a foamy tune done soon so its not too much of a necessity, mainly concerned for petrol consumption.

on a different note do a bigger MAF make an large improvement on a N/A V6?

thanks

**Philthy** · 28-10-2009, 02:57 PM

How is that secured, and where does it get cold air from?

BXHD · 28-10-2009, 03:00 PM

why do people always get pod filters? dont they suck in hot air off the engine as well as some cold air? hmm. people told my bf to get a pod filter for his vl but i thought they were shit because u want cold air, not hot air...
enlighten me people

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 03:01 PM

im getting a bracket for it tommorow to secure it down, and in terms of cold air... i do not know. the car had no airbox or original piping in when i got it, it had some terrible as gas set up. What do you recommend to do for the cold air?

**GetToDaChopa** · 28-10-2009, 03:01 PM

OTRCAI would be the best.

**HoldrodeoLT** · 28-10-2009, 03:03 PM

You may aswell stick with your stock set up, if thats all you could come up with... back to the drawing board?

**Jesterarts** · 28-10-2009, 03:03 PM

Until you put that POD filter in an enclosure its going to be sucking warm/hot air form the engine bay.

So doing more harm than good.

Once you have an enclosure for it, should be all good in terms of functionality... though still not legal probably.

Option 2 being to go to a wrecker, pull the airbox off a wreck and use that with a decent panel filter...

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 03:05 PM

i thought about mocking up my own induction system by running a pipe from the undercarriage up to the pod (which would then be in box)

**HoldrodeoLT** · 28-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by BXHD

why do people always get pod filters? dont they suck in hot air off the engine as well as some cold air? hmm. people told my bf to get a pod filter for his vl but i thought they were shit because u want cold air, not hot air...
enlighten me people

A cold air intake system increases airflow by dropping the air coming into an engine to a lower temperature. Why is this important? As air gets colder, it gets denser. This means you get more oxygen within a smaller volume. More oxygen means more power. Increasing oxygen levels by this method can be found mostly in the racing industry. Many racers will dump ice on their intake manifolds and intercoolers to get a temporary increase in horsepower. Another aspect of a cold air intake system is reduced air flow resistance. All of the pipes in this system have been polished and tuned to reduce air flow resistance. This reduces unwanted turbulence within the pipes which would otherwise reduce airflow into the engine.

I swear i didnt copy and paste that

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 03:06 PM

the original set up was the same but had the gas mixer on it and a pod with a hole in the side, i know its a terrible set up, trying to find ways of fixing it

BXHD · 28-10-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by HoldrodeoLT

A cold air intake system increases airflow by dropping the air coming into an engine to a lower temperature. Why is this important? As air gets colder, it gets denser. This means you get more oxygen within a smaller volume. More oxygen means more power. Increasing oxygen levels by this method can be found mostly in the racing industry. Many racers will dump ice on their intake manifolds and intercoolers to get a temporary increase in horsepower. Another aspect of a cold air intake system is reduced air flow resistance. All of the pipes in this system have been polished and tuned to reduce air flow resistance. This reduces unwanted turbulence within the pipes which would otherwise reduce airflow into the engine.

I swear i didnt copy and paste that

LOL! niceee.
Yeah i thought the cooler the better. if u have more hot air, lesser cold air is probably better im assuming. or even.
schweettt

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 03:24 PM

whats the ideas of using a scoop to grab air from underneath the car, like a reversed OTRCAI?

**GetToDaChopa** · 28-10-2009, 03:46 PM

As long as you put something like a stocking (just as an example) over it so that non of that crap get into it like dirt and maybe water.

*Note: Reversed OTRCAI = UTRCAI

**Chris E** · 28-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Just go to holden and buy the entire factory cold air induction set up.

The scoop, connection to airbox, both halves of the air box, costs around 90$

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 04:29 PM

ok well im on holidays now so im gonna start mocking up my own UTRCAI (cheeborator im trademarking it now). Im going to be used those little scoops that are on the front of the VS bumper as my UTR scoops. Ill post pics and stuff when i get it all going. Just got back from clark rubber to get me some rubber.

My plan is to bolt the scoops to the rubber guard under the bumper, then the rubber will wrap around the intakes and narrow off to a 3inch pipe. As there is 2 i will have 2 in 1 then one main pipe running up to a intake box. god i hope this all works. ill try and draw up a crappy paint drawing so you can visualize my dream.

**skruba** · 28-10-2009, 04:33 PM

if u get a encosure for it (mace) stopping the heat from getting in than ran a otr/cai would it b all good

**GetToDaChopa** · 28-10-2009, 04:40 PM

Just don't drive over puddles during heavy rain, otherwise no air will get to the engine.

**immortality** · 28-10-2009, 04:42 PM

i'd enclose the POD. a POD filter without shielding will suck hot air when the car is stationary. once moving there is enough air flowing through the engine bay, especially behind the headlight so it's no worse then the standard airbox

Originally Posted by Cheboorator

OTRCAI would be the best.

Originally Posted by Chris E

Just go to holden and buy the entire factory cold air induction set up.

The scoop, connection to airbox, both halves of the air box, costs around 90$

NOOOOOO. the Holden VS super6 (OTR)CAI is a heatsoak nightmare. especially when used in standard form. works ok once on the open road and all the heat has been sucked out but around town you may as well go back to the standard airbox and snorkel. i've got EFIlive data logs to prove all this too.

won't be long before mine's for sale as i'm going the enclosed POD route on the VS just like i did on the VN

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 04:45 PM

my problem with OTR is that they are tried and tested that they work, now its time to find something new. anyway my art work is done hopefully this will give you some idea of what it will look like.

the pipe will run op between the fan and the engine and then bend off to the box

ill keep tabs on prices and stuff if this thing finally works for anyone else that might be interested

edit: cheboorator i thought about that and im going to use foam inside the piping to stop any rain that may come from puddles

**BENJAMUM** · 28-10-2009, 05:43 PM

thats the set up i have for my ute

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 05:51 PM

did you drill a hole to feed the pipe down?

**Reaper** · 28-10-2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by speed_freak

Well i finally ripped out my gas mixer because its a piece of it sh*t along with the converter that doesn't work, so i had to rebuild the intake. I ended up doing it like this. Just wondering if this set up is any good or if i should put it in a different orientation, and is there a way to make the ecu re-learn as i got a feeling its still set to a gas setup. Im gonna be getting a foamy tune done soon so its not too much of a necessity, mainly concerned for petrol consumption.

on a different note do a bigger MAF make an large improvement on a N/A V6?

thanks

How is it different to any other Pod system on the road??? You need to duct cold air from the front of the car somehow. HSV OTR system is as good as any.

Reaper

**BENJAMUM** · 28-10-2009, 05:57 PM

i bought the ute with the home made cai set up and bought the standard 1 for more air. But my the looks of it his cut the bottom out of the box and used expander foam then used car bog on top in the 1st pic u can c where is comin through the gard

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 06:02 PM

reaper theres two ways that can that it will be different from a typical OTRCAI. 1 is that the actual housing will not technically be under the bonnet. after a while the plastic from the OTRCAI has to heat up because of the heat from the engine, thus heating the air that comes through. Also the ducts from the OTRCAI are quite small and restricted where as the system that im going for will duct through more air.

Anyway its just a new way of doing things, might be a cheaper and better option than an OTRCAI, or it might be a peice of crap. we will find out and see

**speed_freak** · 28-10-2009, 08:04 PM

UPDATE NUMBER 1

i mocked up how the vents will look. there will be two of them as i said before and then they will run into one single pipe and then straight into the air box. what do you all think