When do your breaks need to be upgraded?

[Weapon]

howdy,
in a vr or vs,
at what point do the breaks need to be upgraded to pass regency with a new high powered engine? making around 250rwkw.

or dont they need to be upgraded?

Also - would a vs berlina series 2 be live axle or irs?

[STEALTHY™]

Could be either, IRS was optional (Only standard on Calais, and maybe SS)

You should upgrade the brAkes either way. Its not like it would ever be wasted money.

[_R_J_K_]

Pretty sure IRS was standard on Berlina's and Acclaim's, not sure about VP though.

What kind of engine is it? If the engine came from the factory, I assume power output isn't an issue in regard to upgrading brakes (although you'd be mad not to upgrade them). Although upgrading them may require an engineers cert. or mod plate or whatever.

You'd be better off looking up the laws for you state or talking to the RTA or what have you.

[StockoVRWagz]

Even just going to VZ brakes would be worth it. Cheap and better than VR/VS, and the V6 and V8 brakes were the same. Wouldn't know about master cyclinder and all that kind of stuff, as all I did was assemble the front brakes/struts and the IRS.

[StockoVRWagz]

Now I think about it the SSZ premium upgrade package was the only difference. Bigger rotors and calipers and had the M14 steering knuckle instead of the smaller M12, rears were practically the same, slightly different rotors and pretty much standard calipers painted red (or oprional grey in the later models)

I could have made up front and rear kits consisting of: Front rotors, calipers, M14 knuckle and bolts, LCA and rear rotors, calipers for $790. Gotta love factory cost price

[ryno_vrx]

in a vr/s the brakes should be upgraded immediately after the car is taken from the factory as the brakes are shit, i mean in my case sure they'll stop me unless theres a strong tail wind, then i'm fighting a losing battle....
oh irs is standard on berlinas i think you'll find

[STEALTHY™]

No, IRS was optional on all VP-S Berlina's. VT Was the first that it was standard (When it was standard across the whole range)

Was standard on Acclaims tho (Safety model)

[Weapon]

Okay cheers guys,
Yeh i dont have standard breaks on my vs - ive got the VT break upgrades and i think they are good enough.

Ive been told that i need to find out about the breaks which came on the car with the engine i want and get as good if not better breaks for my VS project.

Also - the ECU im getting with the engine and trans has been tuned allready and has a seperate motherboard; Could i get it tunned once again to say change gears before boost by about 250-300revs(with eco selected) - unfortunently itll be an auto ovc., and then with the power button selected change at 5,000odd.

[thedeadwalk]

i simple rule when doing performance work to a car start from the ground up man factory rolling stock was not made to put up with any thing more than its already got

[Weapon]

I dont thrash any cars, they break too easy - and not to mention myself.
Thanks for your input though.

[Philthy]

Okay cheers guys,
Yeh i dont have standard breaks on my vs - ive got the VT break upgrades and i think they are good enough.

Ive been told that i need to find out about the breaks which came on the car with the engine i want and get as good if not better breaks for my VS project.

Also - the ECU im getting with the engine and trans has been tuned allready and has a seperate motherboard; Could i get it tunned once again to say change gears before boost by about 250-300revs(with eco selected) - unfortunently itll be an auto ovc., and then with the power button selected change at 5,000odd.

If you want it to change earlier, lift your right foot.
My VS berlina is live-axle, but I have seen an IRS one around so I'm pretty sure it was an option from factory

[Weapon]

yeh, but id rather get the ecu tuned so it does it for me - after all isnt that the whole idea of an auto? lol

if not i might have to see what mods can be done to the auto to make it fully manualised.

[Philthy]

So you want it to change gears at the same revs no matter how buried your foot is? I could be wrong but I don't see that happening

[STEALTHY™]

I already said, VS Calais and Acclaim IRS is standard (And maybe SS too). All others its optional. Mate of mine owned a VS Berlina with every calais option from factory, don't know what the dude was on when he bought it, cause he would have payed shitloads more than an actual calais.

[pjdm1980]

I already said, VS Calais and Acclaim IRS is standard (And maybe SS too). All others its optional. Mate of mine owned a VS Berlina with every calais option from factory, don't know what the dude was on when he bought it, cause he would have payed shitloads more than an actual calais.

Wasn't the VP Berlina LX sedans standard with IRS?

[jashdown91]

Wasn't the VP Berlina LX sedans standard with IRS?

Oh come one. You must be kidding. Why is everyone asking whether a VS Berlina has IRS standard? I think there's a search engine on the internet named Google. It's highly useful and will always answer your question better than anything on here, in most cases.

[stocky]

Wasn't the VP Berlina LX sedans standard with IRS?

no they dont have it standard

[Wombles]

For the brakes to pass a Roadie it needs to be able to stop in a certain amount of metres at a certain speed.
They usually test it with a machine on the car and pedal..
If it pulls up pretty well then it should be ok.
But i've heard that the upgrade is well worth the money and pulls up so much quicker.

[Benboy]

Stopping that car quickly is really not what advanced and intelligent driving is all about. Safe driving requires that you maintain a good safe distance when travelling behind other traffic, don't go through yellow lights, don't disregard Give Way or Stop signs and always drive with complete consideration for other road users. Coming to a stop should be smooth and fully calculated with nothing left to chance. No need for sudden stops. Your standard car with standard brakes will be quite OK.

[stocky]

Stopping that car quickly is really not what advanced and intelligent driving is all about. Safe driving requires that you maintain a good safe distance when travelling behind other traffic, don't go through yellow lights, don't disregard Give Way or Stop signs and always drive with complete consideration for other road users. Coming to a stop should be smooth and fully calculated with nothing left to chance. No need for sudden stops. Your standard car with standard brakes will be quite OK.

doesnt mean that better brakes are a bad idea. there are always morons on the road and you cant predict everything. what happens when a cyclist jumps out in front of you doing 10km/h on an 80km/h road, or someone turns in front of you and doesnt see you. if you can stop faster, then i dont see what the issue is

[pillzor]

doesnt mean that better brakes are a bad idea. there are always morons on the road and you can predict everything. what happens when a cyclist jumps out in front of you doing 10km/h on an 80km/h road, or someone turns in front of you and doesnt see you. if you can stop faster, then i dont see what the issue is

%100 agree

[ryno_vrx]

doesnt mean that better brakes are a bad idea. there are always morons on the road and you cant predict everything. what happens when a cyclist jumps out in front of you doing 10km/h on an 80km/h road, or someone turns in front of you and doesnt see you. if you can stop faster, then i dont see what the issue is

i'm with stocky on this one, it doesnt matter how good of a driver you are or how carefull you are theres always a chance for something unexpected or random to happen so i'm all for better brakes, go with the upgrade you wont regret it and who knows it may save a life