LPG Conversion Pricing

[Maxxiz]

Before you say "FFS SEARCH", I have and there isnt exactly what I'm looking for.

Wanting to get an LPG conversion, just want some prices people have paid and prices anyone has been quoted to do it. I realise prices will vary. I got one quote last week for $3700, thought it was a bit on the pricey side? But yeah any feedback would be great. (Am also aware the rebate is still $1750)
Thanks guys

Its a 6cyl, 1996 VS Sedan.

[Ron41]

I had mine done about 2 years ago, it was $ 2,350 with a set of new plugs & high performance leads, it was a second hand tank though, goes real well on gas.

[VSV6]

Depends if your going for the "normal type" or the injectors mate..

Mine cost $99, after the $2000 rebate, that was 7 months back.

[Maxxiz]

Thanks guys, I dont really know much about it, whats the difference between "Normal" and injectors?

[dufus]

Thanks guys, I dont really know much about it, whats the difference between "Normal" and injectors?

Injected is win, mixer (normal) is fail.

[Maxxiz]

Whats the price difference between mixer and injected?

[dufus]

Whats the price difference between mixer and injected?

A grand or higher, last time I checked. If your going to go mixer then dont bother, they are much more trouble than they are worth.

[mrhotdog]

A grand or higher, last time I checked. If your going to go mixer then dont bother, they are much more trouble than they are worth.

ive had my mixer for about 18months now, havent had any big issues with it. cost me $600 (got 2k rebate), and it costs me less to fillup. the power difference is the big thing i reckon, injected systems have either no or little power loss from what ive researched, but mixer is still good. gotta have leads and plugs in good order.

[levymetal]

A grand or higher, last time I checked. If your going to go mixer then dont bother, they are much more trouble than they are worth.

care to elaborate on the 'trouble' that makes them not worth a $1000+ saving over vapour injection? my dads car has a mixer. my previous car had a mixer. my current car has a ring. they are FINE and there is nothing wrong with them. they produce a little less power but you're not driving a race car so it really doesn't matter. for $1000, there are better ways to get those couple of rwkws back. don't tell me they backfire either, because they don't if you keep your ignition in top condition (which you should be doing anyway) and get the gas serviced every now and then.

yes, vapour is better. is it worth $1000 more? no. not on these cars.

my conversion cost $2500 before the rebate. for $3700, i'd be expecting vapour injection. no way i'd pay that for a mixer setup.

[Maxxiz]

care to elaborate on the 'trouble' that makes them not worth a $1000+ saving over vapour injection? my dads car has a mixer. my previous car had a mixer. my current car has a mixer. they are FINE and there is nothing wrong with them. they produce a little less power but you're not driving a race car so it really doesn't matter. for $1000, there are better ways to get those couple of rwkws back. don't tell me they backfire either, because they don't if you keep your ignition in top condition (which you should be doing anyway) and get the gas serviced every now and then.

my conversion cost $2500 before the rebate. for $3700, i'd be expecting vapour injection. no way i'd pay that for a mixer setup.

Ahh cool, now I know a bit more about it I can ask what is included for the quotes.. Thanks alot guys

[BT1-355]

Ahh cool, now I know a bit more about it I can ask what is included for the quotes.. Thanks alot guys

Well ring around and see what prices are you getting, but dont forget to ask what brand of system you are getting and is your gas tank new of second hand etc etc. Me myself would go for a genuine IMPCO system as fitted from factory. As for a SVI system, i wouldn't brother as your car is too old and it would take longer to get your $$$$$$ back

[Maxxiz]

Will do, I'll give it a go tomorrow see if any of them are open yet. Anyone else here wanna tell us what they paid?

[Mad-Biker]

my vl commodore came with some mixer type set up, teh gas gets injected into the air arm near the air filter! just doesnt sit right with me that.. obviously powers down, as now yourve got half the air, as its mixed with the gas

[Haydz]

i paid 2200 about a year ago for the conversion on my vr v6

and didnt have much trouble with it. although it wasnt worth the money/time/effort of getting it put in. id say i didnt even save the money i paid after the 2 grand rebate in the time i had it.


it made the car smell like gas occasionally. it made my boot almost unusable. it was just all round a pain in the ass and i wouldnt convert or buy another converted commodore.

[dufus]

Mixer gas systems are great while they are new, but after they age they are absolutely terrible, with the cash spent at mechanics getting leaks, breakages, parts replaced (both petrol and gas) etc far exceeding what you save.

[levymetal]

Mixer gas systems are great while they are new, but after they age they are absolutely terrible

the mixer setup in my vn v6 was 18 years old, IMPCO, only problem was a $20 water gasket for the converter. ran like an absolute dream (better than my current ring setup on the vp 5ltr).

with the cash spent at mechanics getting leaks, breakages, parts replaced (both petrol and gas) etc far exceeding what you save.

i guess the average saving on lpg would be around $1500 a year (i save $2500). are you trying to say it's going to cost $1500 a year to maintain a mixer system when it gets old? that is simply untrue.

nb: the lpg setup i had fitted on my vp comes with a lifetime warranty on parts and labour providing i get it serviced every 6 months. that's $180 a year and i'll never have to pay for anything that goes wrong. ever.

[dufus]

the mixer setup in my vn v6 was 18 years old, IMPCO, only problem was a $20 water gasket for the converter. ran like an absolute dream (better than my current ring setup on the vp 5ltr).





i guess the average saving on lpg would be around $1500 a year (i save $2500). are you trying to say it's going to cost $1500 a year to maintain a mixer system when it gets old? that is simply untrue.

nb: the lpg setup i had fitted on my vp comes with a lifetime warranty on parts and labour providing i get it serviced every 6 months. that's $180 a year and i'll never have to pay for anything that goes wrong. ever.

Average saving of $1500? You must be high. I also have an old impco mixer set up as does a good freind of mine and both of us have had many issues, with a mechanic informing me that the life of these kits is around 7 years, after which time everything starts to fail.

Another issue with these gas kits is that standard wiring is altered and these alterations over time will cause the failure of electrical components. Wear and tear cause my gas mixer systems is much worse than systems not fitted with gas.

Gas systems must be tuned around every 5000 km or at each service before they begin to run badly and use excessive amounts of gas, stall etc. The cost of these tunes is around $60, if you can find a mechanic that will just give you a tune, which is rare, but im sure you will say you have one or have never needed a tune

It is clear that you have a one sided opinion on the topic and wont let others have their say. As for your huge saving you either drive over 40,000 km a year or that 4 inch exhaust tip you had on your V6 VN gave you amazing fuel economy.

[levymetal]

no, by all means have your say. i'm not stopping you. you can say whatever you want. but if you want to talk shit then i don't understand why you're so upset about being corrected. i do not have a one sided opinion on the topic, cant you read? i already said that i agree that vapour injection is better than a mixer. the problem is that you are spewing out false and misleading facts about mixer type setups.

"a mechanic informed you that the life of the kits is around 7 years". awesome, that means it MUST be true if a mechanic told you. and i guess the compliance plate on my v6 that said the gas was installed in 1991 must been incorrect as the system lasted for 18 years only requiring a $20 gasket in the time i had it.

"if you can find a mechanic that will just give you a tune". what do you mean by they won't give you a tune? why wouldn't they give you a tune? i got a tune done on my vn at SAS automotive in somerville. if you don't believe me then find their number in the yellow pages and give them a ring. also, i already told you, my gas installer requires a service to be done every 6 months in order to keep the warranty. this costs $90 and includes a tune and i guess they give it a general check over as well.

"Average saving of $1500? You must be high". depends what do you define as average km? i would say 350km/week is average. everyone i know drives more than this anyway - but hey if you can find a real average figure then go ahead and prove me wrong, after all i am only assuming.

case study: barry drives 350km per week and his car uses 14l/100km. over a year, he drives 18,200km and uses 2,548 litres of fuel. at $1.20l, this costs him $3,057.60 a year. if he switched to gas, he would use 30% more which would equate to 18.2l/100km, or 3,312.4 litres over the year, although gas costs 50c/l. in total, this would cost him $1,656.20 a year. this means that barry would save $1401.40 a year.

but yeah, i guess i am high because i didn't take into account the servicing cost of $180/year which brings the saving down to $1,221.40.

i drive 30,000kms a year and my v8 uses a more than the example figures i posted above, which is why lpg is especially good for thirsty vehicles. the more petrol you use the more you save...

just because you had a bad experience with an impco mixer system, it does not mean that every mixer system in the world is bad and that i must be lying when i say i've had nothing but good experiences. i've had problems with holdens in general but i don't go around talking shit telling people not to buy them because all of the various things that go wrong with everyone's commodores and that they would spend more money than they would save if they just didn't buy a commodore at all and just caught the bus. at the end of the day, you can't tell me that your precious vapour injection system won't have components fail as it gets older as well. most people aren't going to keep their cars more than 5 years so in that timeframe i can't see the extra outlay for vapour actually providing any benefit.

[mrhotdog]

case study: barry drives 350km per week and his car uses 14l/100km. over a year, he drives 18,200km and uses 2,548 litres of fuel. at $1.20l, this costs him $3,057.60 a year. if he switched to gas, he would use 30% more which would equate to 18.2l/100km, or 3,312.4 litres over the year, although gas costs 50c/l. in total, this would cost him $1,656.20 a year. this means that barry would save $1401.40 a year.

but yeah, i guess i am high because i didn't take into account the servicing cost of $180/year which brings the saving down to $1,221.40.

i drive 30,000kms a year and my v8 uses a more than the example figures i posted above, which is why lpg is especially good for thirsty vehicles. the more petrol you use the more you save...

exactly, my v6 was using about 15L/100km when i had the gas done, i found instant savings, even when gas is 64c/L which is expensive, its still cheaper. if you dont do a lot of driving then gas probably isnt for you, but if ur kms are in the 8,000km/yr upwards id say go gas. with the tuning only about $60, its like everything, if its looked after it will go for ages (which reminds me mine needs a tune soon :P).
as for the wiring issue, if its done properly there shouldnt be any issues

i think you are just speaking from bad experience dufus,
to the OP if the pros outweigh the cons, just go gas if u dont mind sacrifising a bit of boot space or ur spare.

[kalu]

hi guys,

i am interested in installing a second hand gas system to my VT, i came across a new system off a damaged VX so its a matter of sapping them. the system is only 2 years old only done about 30,000 km

also i saw ton the government rebate website that you get the grant $1750 on second hand systems as long as its installed by a qualified licensed gas installer

any idea how much will it cost and any one in melb who would do the job?

cheers

[kalu]

i think we would save the planet if we recycle resources .......

[mrhotdog]

personally i wouldnt go second hand on things like gas systems, u can get a MIXER system for only a few hundred out of pocket these days if u shop around.

[BT1-355]

no, by all means have your say. i'm not stopping you. you can say whatever you want. but if you want to talk shit then i don't understand why you're so upset about being corrected. i do not have a one sided opinion on the topic, cant you read? i already said that i agree that vapour injection is better than a mixer. the problem is that you are spewing out false and misleading facts about mixer type setups.

"a mechanic informed you that the life of the kits is around 7 years". awesome, that means it MUST be true if a mechanic told you. and i guess the compliance plate on my v6 that said the gas was installed in 1991 must been incorrect as the system lasted for 18 years only requiring a $20 gasket in the time i had it.

"if you can find a mechanic that will just give you a tune". what do you mean by they won't give you a tune? why wouldn't they give you a tune? i got a tune done on my vn at SAS automotive in somerville. if you don't believe me then find their number in the yellow pages and give them a ring. also, i already told you, my gas installer requires a service to be done every 6 months in order to keep the warranty. this costs $90 and includes a tune and i guess they give it a general check over as well.

"Average saving of $1500? You must be high". depends what do you define as average km? i would say 350km/week is average. everyone i know drives more than this anyway - but hey if you can find a real average figure then go ahead and prove me wrong, after all i am only assuming.

case study: barry drives 350km per week and his car uses 14l/100km. over a year, he drives 18,200km and uses 2,548 litres of fuel. at $1.20l, this costs him $3,057.60 a year. if he switched to gas, he would use 30% more which would equate to 18.2l/100km, or 3,312.4 litres over the year, although gas costs 50c/l. in total, this would cost him $1,656.20 a year. this means that barry would save $1401.40 a year.

but yeah, i guess i am high because i didn't take into account the servicing cost of $180/year which brings the saving down to $1,221.40.

i drive 30,000kms a year and my v8 uses a more than the example figures i posted above, which is why lpg is especially good for thirsty vehicles. the more petrol you use the more you save...

just because you had a bad experience with an impco mixer system, it does not mean that every mixer system in the world is bad and that i must be lying when i say i've had nothing but good experiences. i've had problems with holdens in general but i don't go around talking shit telling people not to buy them because all of the various things that go wrong with everyone's commodores and that they would spend more money than they would save if they just didn't buy a commodore at all and just caught the bus. at the end of the day, you can't tell me that your precious vapour injection system won't have components fail as it gets older as well. most people aren't going to keep their cars more than 5 years so in that timeframe i can't see the extra outlay for vapour actually providing any benefit.

exactly, my v6 was using about 15L/100km when i had the gas done, i found instant savings, even when gas is 64c/L which is expensive, its still cheaper. if you dont do a lot of driving then gas probably isnt for you, but if ur kms are in the 8,000km/yr upwards id say go gas. with the tuning only about $60, its like everything, if its looked after it will go for ages (which reminds me mine needs a tune soon :P).
as for the wiring issue, if its done properly there shouldnt be any issues

i think you are just speaking from bad experience dufus,
to the OP if the pros outweigh the cons, just go gas if u dont mind sacrifising a bit of boot space or ur spare.

I have to AGREE with both of you, I've had gas on ALL my holdens never had any major problems with them and i have been saving $$$$$$$$$ (which at the END OF THE DAY, is what everone is after). Well put it this way, over 95% of taxis are on gas (and everyone knows, they are here to make money)If they didn't make money, they would all go back to petrol.

[mrhotdog]

I have to AGREE with both of you, I've had gas on ALL my holdens never had any major problems with them and i have been saving $$$$$$$$$ (which at the END OF THE DAY, is what everone is after). Well put it this way, over 95% of taxis are on gas (and everyone knows, they are here to make money)If they didn't make money, they would all go back to petrol.

.....and they go for hundreds of thousands of kms in their life

[ufo8mycow]

Before you say "FFS SEARCH", I have and there isnt exactly what I'm looking for.

Wanting to get an LPG conversion, just want some prices people have paid and prices anyone has been quoted to do it. I realise prices will vary. I got one quote last week for $3700, thought it was a bit on the pricey side? But yeah any feedback would be great. (Am also aware the rebate is still $1750)
Thanks guys

Its a 6cyl, 1996 VS Sedan.

I got mine done 2 years ago paid 400 bucks out of my pocket. For the old style system