Ps restrictions

[west-side]

hi, i was wondering if anyone can tell me weather a vs v6 supercharged statesman falls in between this category :

"•turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that is considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and are equipped with child restraint anchorages. A family type vehicle does not include a sports car (two door coupe). "

cheers

[westbad]

what state are you in? pretty sure in vic they dont do power to weight ration any more, didnt think P platers were aloud any forced induction or V8's now..

[hako]

As the car weighs about 1.5 tonne, the engine can produce up to 190KW to fall into that category...so the answer would be yes. Not sure what the sc produces but it has to be less than 190KW.

[west-side]

victoria, "From 6 July 2009, drivers issued with a probationary licence on or after 1 July 2007 may drive some lower performance turbocharged or supercharged vehicles. The definition of a lower performance turbocharged or supercharged vehicle is a vehicle with 6 cylinders or less that is;

•turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio of less than 100kW per tonne;
•turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that is considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and are equipped with child restraint anchorages. A family type vehicle does not include a sports car (two door coupe). "

they changed it again in 2009, i just noticed today thats why im asking :S

[west-side]

thanks hako

[azzfox]

I thought the only forced induction allowed was turbo diesel. But seems the laws have changed yet again.

Lower perfomance turbo or super charged vehicles : VicRoads

EDIT: late post

[west-side]

yea thats why i was confused.. they cant make up their mind.. shud have jst left it from the start

[westbad]

just had a read of that link, seems pretty simple... you have to fill that form in to apply to drive a low end charged vehicle and if vic roads say its ok they will let you know..

[despo]

just say u need it for work. i have a few mates with turbo or v8 utes and they got an exemption but the only issue if driving after work hours just gotta watch out

[Jonnii]

ok so i just did a bit of searching around and a few calculations and by that law a P plater can drive a supercharged calais??? only ended up at 119 km per tonne. Yet it would still have to be approved

[stocky]

ok so i just did a bit of searching around and a few calculations and by that law a P plater can drive a supercharged calais??? only ended up at 119 km per tonne. Yet it would still have to be approved

explain how you came up with this conclusion. its still a supercharged car that cant be driven on Ps. i doubt it will fall under the "family" type of car if youre looking to use that little loophole

[mojododo]

•turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that is considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and are equipped with child restraint anchorages. A family type vehicle does not include a sports car (two door coupe).

The s/c calais falls under that bullet point. Seeing as Commodores (bar hsv) are considered "family" vehicles, once the form filled in it should be approved.

[west-side]

the only thing is i dont wana buy a supercharged statesman then have it not pass the vic roads aplication for some reason.. might have to go into vicroads and ask them beforehand

[stocky]

The s/c calais falls under that bullet point. Seeing as Commodores (bar hsv) are considered "family" vehicles, once the form filled in it should be approved.

i highly doubt that will work. that "family" car also comes in a non supercharged v6 version, and they will simply tell you to buy that instead, since it would be obvious youre only applying for an exemption so that you can have a supercharger

[greenfoam]

Worth a shot, the new direct injection alloytecs are alot quicker than the super 6

[mojododo]

i highly doubt that will work. that "family" car also comes in a non supercharged v6 version, and they will simply tell you to buy that instead, since it would be obvious youre only applying for an exemption so that you can have a supercharger

ahh, but it fits into their category of exempted vehicles. its not their job to tell you what you want to buy, except where it falls outside of the regs. clearly a commodore comes in the "family" vehicle category where it has 4 or more seats and child restraints, AND is under 125kw/tonne. its ticks ALL their boxes for being able to pass, i would write the application to be allowed to drive it.

[stocky]

ahh, but it fits into their category of exempted vehicles. its not their job to tell you what you want to buy, except where it falls outside of the regs. clearly a commodore comes in the "family" vehicle category where it has 4 or more seats and child restraints, AND is under 125kw/tonne. its ticks ALL their boxes for being able to pass, i would write the application to be allowed to drive it.

but you miss what i said. they will probably just tell you to buy the non supercharged version. if it was a family car where the only engine option was a supercharged engine, then yes, they might allow it, but these P plate laws were pretty much introduced with commodores and imports in mind, so i highly doubt they would allow supercharged commodores to be allowed so easily

[And_ROOS]

I saw the forms and it also seems that you have to apply after you have the vehicle, i.e you already own the vehicle and am applying for an exemption. So id assume that if you applied and they ask why you didnt buy a v6 n/a you could just say you had a friend of a friend point you in that cars direction.

[Reaper]

hi, i was wondering if anyone can tell me weather a vs v6 supercharged statesman falls in between this category :

"•turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that is considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and are equipped with child restraint anchorages. A family type vehicle does not include a sports car (two door coupe). "

I would say a Statesman would fall under that definition.

Reaper

[JSTCOZ]

It wouldn't be allowed. Supercharged and Turbo's are only allowed in very weak cars eg. Holden Cruze. Feel free to buy it but you will be getting pulled over alot and losing alot of money, then eventually points and your license.

[fkford]

its not allowed, but then again a copper wont ask you to open your bonnet unless its obvious theres something under there.

[hsv91ss]

Last I seen on the RTA's Banned list for P-Platers all super 6 commies were on there.

[stocky]

its not allowed, but then again a copper wont ask you to open your bonnet unless its obvious theres something under there.

uhh yeah they will

[hsv91ss]

If it has a P plate on it they will search until they find something, at least they tried to.

also I found this it is on the 2009-10 Prohibited Vehicles list

HOLDEN CALAIS VS II 4D SEDAN V6 3791 cc SUPERCHARGED Multi 4A 1996 SUPERCHARGED V6

All VS to VY Supercharged (L67) Ecotecs are on there including Statesman

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...icles_list.pdf

[ParkwayDrv]

its not allowed, but then again a copper wont ask you to open your bonnet unless its obvious theres something under there.

like a supercharger?