from buick to ecotec

[VSCristian]

i've repeatedly read that the buick is torquier than the ecotec, and the VN-VRs are quicker than the VS, is this true?

if so, why would holden make it's newer car slower and less torquey?

i drive a VSII ecotec, and while very happy with it, was just wondering.

i know that overall torque and power are higher in the ecotec, but does the buick out do it and if so why?

[nathanVY]

i'd be interested to know that too, ive heard the ecotecs are more fuel efficent anyone with an eco tec want to tell me how many kms they get out of a tank?

i like the buick engines but the ecotecs are enticing me too.

[_R_J_K_]

i've repeatedly read that the buick is torquier than the ecotec, and the VN-VRs are quicker than the VS, is this true?

if so, why would holden make it's newer car slower and less torquey?

i drive a VSII ecotec, and while very happy with it, was just wondering.

i know that overall torque and power are higher in the ecotec, but does the buick out do it and if so why?

Use the search button, it's been covered heaps. Every Ecotec vs. Buick thread just ends up with people saying that they "think" or "feel" that one is better than the other. Every answer is completely subjective as there is no control to compare against.

To paraphrase though, the Ecotec delivered (off the top of my head) a 5% cut in fuel usage and a 13% or 17% (I can't really remember) increase in power over the Buick, that's why Holden used them.

There will be no definitive answer to this though, racing a stock VR and stock VS of this age against each other will prove nothing (well to me anyway), every engine has been treated differently.

My personal preference is the Ecotec simply because they have more bolt-on bits and pieces, and the apparent improvements over the Buick. Speed off the line on a stock engine isn't really a concern for me.

[VSCristian]

i get around 10-12l/100km around town and 8-10l/100km on highway (110-120km/h)
that's with the aircon off.. with it on it eats an extra 1-3L/100kms!!!

VSII, enclosed pod CAI, extractors, 2.5inch catback

[nathanVY]

lol I have a stage 2 cluster (not for much longer! ) so i'm not up with those measurements, how many kilomeres per 63 litres (assuming vs/vr tanks are the same size)

lol i must waste so much petrol i have my air con on ALL THE TIME haha.

[VSCristian]

i was wondering because i was looking at manifold spacers for the ecotec and the ad said "make it have the low end punch of the buick"... now either the buick has more low end or the manifold spacer's not a good thing

[VSCristian]

it says 59 in the book for the VS... anyway i get around 500-600 around town without aircon...

and 400-450 with!!!!

[nathanVY]

a bit better than me. max ive gotten thus far is 490km highway driving. 300 around town thrashin it a bit. around 400~ mixed town/highway driving (non thrashed lol)

[Cobez]

If you took a VS that had been well maintained (serviced regulary etc) and a VP that had not been looked after, of course one is going to have more torque than another.

Heaps of people here will tell you how well their VP / VS etc runs, but it's all a much of a muchness.

The most accurate way to finding out would have been to take a brand new VP and a brand new VS off the showroom floor in complete stock form and running them down at a track or something. But i highly doubt that would be possible nowadays.

[94vrcaprice]

well as for range on the hwy i get betwen 400 to 500 kays on the first 1/4 of a tank in my v6 caprice around town i only get about 250 to 300 my tank is 80ltrs

[ParkwayDrv]

well as for range on the hwy i get betwen 400 to 500 kays on the first 1/4 of a tank in my v6 caprice around town i only get about 250 to 300 my tank is 80ltrs

wait am i reading it wrong or do you get 400-500 on a 1/4 of a tank?

[vsl67]

I have owned A Vp series 2 v6 and driven ecotechs and I found that my vp would out perform an ecotech easily unmodded and an l67(and so it should) would shit on both of them with ease

so as performance would go of the line and in aceleration it would go

L67>buick > ecotech

[neet_wagon]

I have the specs of as tested (not holden specs) v6 commodores from vn through to vt, and the fastest v6 commodore from 0-100 is the seriesI VN executive. If I remember correctly the VN exec is also the fastest over the quarter mile.

I will have a hunt around at home and see if i can find it.

Aside from the specs though, I am of the opinion that the seriesI definatly had alot of low down punch, but really lacked any top end whatsoever.

The seriesII in my wagon seemed to be a step above the seriesI, in terms of mid range grunt, and the missus' VX just seems to want to rev forever.

In a head to head dash nowdays I think the Ecotec would beat the seriesI 9 times out of 10 due to the seriesI wheelspinning and the eco just taking off.........

Thats my 2 cents.

[94vrcaprice]

wait am i reading it wrong or do you get 400-500 on a 1/4 of a tank?

not reading wrong mate my cars very good on fuel i was going to put gas on it but with range like that i dont need it

[ParkwayDrv]

not reading wrong mate my cars very good on fuel i was going to put gas on it but with range like that i dont need it

thats epic...my old ecotec used to chew the petrol id be lucky to get 400 kms out of tank lol

[Silver_VS_II]

not reading wrong mate my cars very good on fuel i was going to put gas on it but with range like that i dont need it

1600-2000kms per tank? im finding that sorta hard to beleive sorry mate

[94vrcaprice]

1600-2000kms per tank? im finding that sorta hard to beleive sorry mate

ive never let the car get under 3/4 so im unsure of the range but when u fill it takes max 30 ltrs and thats really pushing it so that tells me that i still have another 50 ltrs in the tankand at 3/4 he estimated distance to empty is normaly 400 to 500 kays from 3/4 and i recantly did a trip from canberra to brisbane and it only cost me $80

[Silver_VS_II]

oh you got an 80 litre tank, im not really too familiar on the specs and stuff on fuel economy and tank sizes just thought that it seemed alot from a tank.

[94vrcaprice]

it suprised the shit out of me when i got 400 on 1/4 ive since done it a few more time and it all depends on how i drive if i drive like grandpa i get betwen 400 to 500 from the 1/4 drive with a bit of a lead foot 200 to 300 on the 1/4 but im betting if i let it get under 3/4 it will go down real quick lol according to the comp in the car at 110 on flat ground the read out is betwen 2.9 ltrs per 100 to 7.9 ltrs per 100 im happy with it for a car that weighs 1600 kgs

[speed_freak]

so your saying you can get 2000km per tank?

That comes to 4l per 100kms.

The new fiesta econetic gets 3.6l per 100kms and thats the most fuel efficient car in Aus. How is it that a 94 model 3.6l V6 is on par with a 2010 model 1.6l 4cyl TD?

[nathanVY]

so your saying you can get 2000km per tank?

That comes to 4l per 100kms.

The new fiesta econetic gets 3.6l per 100kms and thats the most fuel efficient car in Aus. How is it that a 94 model 3.6l V6 is on par with a 2010 model 1.6l 4cyl TD?

he's got a point..

[HamaTime™]

A standard commodore fuel tank is what 65 litres? If this guy has a 80 litre tank on a larger heavier car, I think he would only be getting 800k's at the MOST!!!!

who has ever heard of a V6 Commodore gettin 2000 k's out of a tank? it's impossible!

[Brett_jjj]

Brand new the VR and VS V6's got around 7-8 litres per 100 k's on the highway and 11.5 litres per 100 k's city driving.And statesman V6's were a tad higher.The VS was probably a bit better on fuel than the VR a la ecotec engine but is wasnt a very big difference,maybe half a litre or thereabouts per 100 k's. You do the maths.

[nathanVY]

A standard commodore fuel tank is what 65 litres? If this guy has a 80 litre tank on a larger heavier car, I think he would only be getting 800k's at the MOST!!!!

who has ever heard of a V6 Commodore gettin 2000 k's out of a tank? it's impossible!

pretty much... unless he's got a secret fuel tank in the boot

[speed_freak]

or hes secretly full of sh!t