vr ll gear changing hard?

[Braydenreid]

i recently bought a v6 vr ll and the guy told me it had a heavy duty clutch but the clutch has the got literrally all the way to the floor and it engages as soon as i movemy foot the littlest bit. and you have to slam it into gear? the prevoius owner snapped the gear stick because its so hard! i got a mechnic to look at it and they just fiddled with the clutch cable and that changed the friction point.. does anyone know what it could be? clutch was replaced 2 yrs ago and i changed the oil and tightened up all the bolts

[Vr5speedv6]

So is the friction point ok now? What sort of oil did you use in the box? You should only use dextron3 ATF in the later (world class) T5's.
But if it's that difficult to shift I'd say the syncros would be shagged by now.

[Braydenreid]

yea the friction point is betta... i used castrol Manual VMX 80, the guy at super cheap said it was the right one and it also says it on the botle.
can you change the syncros without without rebuilding the gear box? or is a new one in order?

[Brett_jjj]

The wrong type of oil in the gearbox can cause the shifter to be hard and heavy to shift..Id be checking exactly what holden uses and recommends for that particular gearbox and stick to that.As mentioned above some manual boxes even use auto trans fluid instead of oil,which most people would not expect.

[Vr5speedv6]

yea the friction point is betta... i used castrol Manual VMX 80, the guy at super cheap said it was the right one and it also says it on the botle.
can you change the syncros without without rebuilding the gear box? or is a new one in order?

Yeah mate new syncros requires stripping down the box, but I'd give the dex111 a try first. You'll be amazed by the difference it makes.
Don't forget to keep filling it until the fluid comes out of the fill plug as well

[Braydenreid]

aight ill try that soon.. can you buy it from any auto shop? other wise ill have to start saving for a new box :/

[Brett_jjj]

In the workshop manual it says the recommended lubricant for the T5 gearbox is the Dexron 111 type fluid and 150 mls of lubrizol 7906.You should be able to get these at any auto parts place.(supercheap etc).The Getrag gearbox uses 75W-85 gear oil.The guy who sold you the gear oil for the T5 should be shot.I wonder if they are liable for damages if they sell you the wrong type of oil and it stuffs something up?

[Brett_jjj]

I just had a look at the specs for the castrol VMX80 and it definitely can replace the Dexron 111 type fluid for holden 4 and 5 speed gearboxes,so it should be ok.(Sorry to the guy at supercheap for shooting you.)It should be ok.Id still try the Dexron111 fluid though instead of the VMX80.You never know.The Dexron 111 is what they were designed to originally use apparently.

[Braydenreid]

thanks for the help, ill probs leave it for now n see how it goes, but ill probs end up changing it sometime soon

[Beno1982]

When i done mine i used 150Ml of lubrisol and ATF4000 transmission fluid

[Dangerous Dave]

LZ 7906 - Penrite Oil

[Brett_jjj]

Ive had a look at another workshop manual for a VP and the recommended lubrication for the T5 in the VP models is shell gear oil XGO 75/90.I suppose the T5 in the VP would be the same as the T5 in the VS.Another manual Ive got says the VN and VP manual boxes use 75w-80 gear oil.And the VR and VS manual boxes use Dexron 11d,Dexron11E or Dexron 111 type auto trans fluid with the 150 ml of lubrizol. On some website I was reading through it said the T5 originally used the Dexron auto trans fluid as its lubricant.Theres all different info everywhere you look.

[Vr5speedv6]

Ive had a look at another workshop manual for a VP and the recommended lubrication for the T5 in the VP models is shell gear oil XGO 75/90.I suppose the T5 in the VP would be the same as the T5 in the VS.Another manual Ive got says the VN and VP manual boxes use 75w-80 gear oil.And the VR and VS manual boxes use Dexron 11d,Dexron11E or Dexron 111 type auto trans fluid with the 150 ml of lubrizol. On some website I was reading through it said the T5 originally used the Dexron auto trans fluid as its lubricant.Theres all different info everywhere you look.

The reason is the earlier T5's are the non-world class boxes and are fitted to vn and vp. You can use gear oil in these, but I've found they also shift alot better with ATF. The world class T5's on the other hand must use ATF due to different syncro rings and tapered roller bearings. So if you use gear oil in a world class t5, it will stuff it up
I found mine shifted better without the lubrizol BTW.

[Vr5speedv6]

Also you'll need to run about 3 fills of ATF through the gearbox to get that gear oil out and have it shifting properly!!

[Braydenreid]

i took it to a tranmission place and as soon as the guy felt the clutch he said it was the clutch, not the gear box at all... so he said he'll have a look around the gear box and clutch for free nxt week. i decided to have a quick look myself and noticed that there is a crack in the pedal plate thing... could that be my problem?