hoon
How to remove oil sump? vr commodore
How do i remove the oil sump on a vr, the subframe is in the way i cant get to the last few bolts surrounding the sump, i tried jacking up the engine but no luck getting to those bolts, please helpp!!
The engine has to come out. Its the best and safest way.
naaaa, ive never pulled an engine out of a V6 to get sump off, just lower the cross member. stick the car on jack stands under the chassis rails and unbolt the rack from the cross member, then undo the massive 4 bolts that hold cross member on and lower it down. ffaaaaaaaaar easier than taking the engine out.
Real cars are steel cars.
I also remove the crossmember.
As above unbolt the rack (leave the lines on), but i also unbolt the lower ball joint and completely remove the cross member.
You MUST suspend the motor in a safe manner.
Use two systems so if one fails you have a back up.
If I told you I was a compulsive liar, would you believe me?
forgot to mention hold motor up. i wouldnt go as far as removing ball joints, just letting cross member hang down a few inches is enough to get sump off.
hoon
how would i hold the motor up ? where do i put the jack since the crossmember is in the way :/
NEED 4 SPEED
Use a skyhook. You can buy a set from here --> Sky Hook Set - $199.95 : KaleCoAuto, Hard to find automotive items!Originally Posted by SiKC.VR
hoon
i dont wanna buy a crane as i have no intention of doing any other engine work so far, just need to take off the sump in order to fit a new gasket on as the one on there now is not sealing properly causing it to leak oil
Lock your Daughters up
when i did it i just used a jack stand under a piece of wood under the trans to support the weight, worked for me.
hoon
cool ill try to do it that way along with lowering the crossmember, thanks
good way to stuff things like rear engine mount and dangerous. at work we used a bar welded up with a chain and screw mechanism that sits across the strut towers hooked to engine lift points
see attached pic below
Real cars are steel cars.
I don't recommend this method. ( The block of wood method from post #9)
A mates brother was killed when a pooly supported camper trailer came down on him.
He left behind a wife and two small kids.
Not worth the risk. Use the correct equipment.
If I told you I was a compulsive liar, would you believe me?
hoon
these are the bolts holding the crossmember, if i remove them thats the only thing holding the motor so yeh
if i put the jack under the trans to hold the motor?
hoon
thats a camper trailer, lol i just need to support the motor somehow to get to the sump idc how since im not going to do further work to it i dont see reason to buy a engine crane for this particular job. if i die then atleast i tried aha
for your own safety as me and the other d00d said, dont use post #9 method, far too dangerous. get a simple engine hook like i pictured, i think u can get them commercially or hire them? its not a engine crane, it is better.
and as for your images of bolts to undo, you dont need to undo the castor rod bolts and you dont need to undo the control arm bolts, just let the cross member hang off of them and its fine. less you undo the far easier your job is.
operation HQ under way.
and that last pic of were you want to put the stand will be no good. thats the bell housing cover and that will need to be removed to get the sump off.
+1 for engine hook or welded cross brace. we use a cross brace at work and its far Superior than a piece of wood that will end bad.
Real cars are steel cars.
I'm sorry but I fail to see the humor in this.thats a camper trailer, lol i just need to support the motor somehow to get to the sump idc how since im not going to do further work to it i dont see reason to buy a engine crane for this particular job. if i die then atleast i tried aha
Who cares what it was that killed him.
The point is if you fail to use the correct equipment, you are putting yourself and others at risk.
The fact that you have shown the incorrect bolts to undo makes me think you would be better off paying a qualified person with the correct equipment to do the job for you.
A least that way there is no risk.
If I told you I was a compulsive liar, would you believe me?
The problem with the sky hooks that wateva is recommending is that they will tend to fall down because the atmosphere doesn't support them very well. I doubt that they are going to support the claimed 700 lbs.
I don't like discouraging people, but SiKC.VR your posts do not inspire confidence in your ability to do the job. Yes, maybe consider putting back together anything that you have already pulled apart and paying someone else to do it.
If you insist on risking improving the gene pool or personal injury, like a crushed hand, support the engine with the beam across the strut towers or inner guards as TheIceman, RX25SE and moff_man are suggesting.
Undo the 15mm head nuts for the engine mounts first and lift the engine off the K frame before you undo the bolts for the K frame. That way you know the engine weight is supported.
There are 4 vertical 19mm head bolts that hold the K frame. Support the K frame with a jack before you undo them. With the steering rack dropped out of the K frame first.
Disconnect the battery earth before you start.
Last edited by Cheap6; 05-07-2010 at 06:37 PM.
hoon
you guys have changed my mind about the whole aspect, i didn't know it was going to be this hard just to remove the damm cu nt. I think as all of yous have said, ill definately be better of doing the job safely using the right equipment, id rather pay for a skyhook then lash out 100s for a mechanic to do this simple job. ,ill keep yous posted...
Lock your Daughters up
I fail to see how you can support 2 tonne cars with jack stands but you can't support a 500kgish Motor/trans? The block of wood is just to even the load so you don't dent the trans sump.
hoon
yeah im still wonderin of doin it the cheap way and hopefully be able to get away with a few scratces atleast :P but as the others said its dangerous! the motor could collapse? .. and when ur lifting the car on a jack ur only lifting a portion of the weight of the car, it would be a different story if u placed the jack in the centre of the car and jacked it up from there man commonsense, yet again it is dangerous!!, but nobody ever said it wasnt do-able
Definately use a sky hook to support the weight. Then remove the bolts.
Lock your Daughters up
Yeah i'm not saying it isn't dangerous, Because it probably is.
Iv'e done mine and a few mates like that but will probably do it with an engine crane next time.
Iv'e seen engine cranes/Packages with Stands too go for 200, Why not invest in one of those?
You've still saved on the mechanics Bill + You have an engine crane for future reference.
Or you can do what my Brother did, Use it once, Chuck it on ebay for relatively the same price
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