taking out the spool :(

[QldKev]

All good with a full spool, until you launch it hard snap an axle and put it into a wall at 100+mph cause one wheel is still driving hard. Give me a decent LSD any-day for me...

QldKev

[Edd]

So you're saying because I lost it more than 2 times accidentally, I was hooning? No I wasn't, take a spooled car out in the wet and see how easy it is to control for your first time.

i dont think you could call it an accident, maybe if it was due to bald tyre's than it would make more sense. I took my mates mini spooled EL out for a first time in the wet and got loose because was trying too, not by accident, give it a big squirt and she'll step out, that was enough to tell me to keep traction, all fine from then. you cant blame the spool, too much throttle or poor handling skills, simple, drive to the conditions. simply blaming the spool for poor driving is kinda pathetic.

[immortality]

All good with a full spool, until you launch it hard snap an axle and put it into a wall at 100+mph cause one wheel is still driving hard. Give me a decent LSD any-day for me...

QldKev

total BS. your gonna need serious power to do that sort of damage. somewhere in the region of 300kw and do multiple clutch drops etc. just as VN Luke

I have a tightened LSD in the VN and with crap tyres on it is like having a spool in the rear. fit decent tyres and it drives out of corners real well but be well aware because when it does loose traction is goes quick. now a stuffed LSD is probably more dangerous because sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't single spin which means it's a total lottery whether you go forward or sideways. at least with a spool you know how it's going to behave every single time you plant boot. There ain't nothing wrong with using the throttle to steer the car

if i didn't have to put the car through a inspection (WOF) every 6 months i'd most certainly have a spool

[Pickled]

i dont think you could call it an accident, maybe if it was due to bald tyre's than it would make more sense. I took my mates mini spooled EL out for a first time in the wet and got loose because was trying too, not by accident, give it a big squirt and she'll step out, that was enough to tell me to keep traction, all fine from then. you cant blame the spool, too much throttle or poor handling skills, simple, drive to the conditions. simply blaming the spool for poor driving is kinda pathetic.

Yes bald tyres did contribute to me losing control, and no they wern't from me, they were like that when I purchased the car, and yeah I know I'm irresponsible and should be sent to hell for driving an unroadworthy car blah blah..

[TI3VOM]

Shut up you ########, yeah blame the tires, blame the spool, but not yourself. You are a tool you wanna know why? You bought a car without asking questions about it, other wise you'd know it had a spool, and bald tires, something funny about all this is that you bought a car that has probably been thrashed.

[QldKev]

total BS. your gonna need serious power to do that sort of damage. somewhere in the region of 300kw and do multiple clutch drops etc. just as VN Luke

I have a tightened LSD in the VN and with crap tyres on it is like having a spool in the rear. fit decent tyres and it drives out of corners real well but be well aware because when it does loose traction is goes quick. now a stuffed LSD is probably more dangerous because sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't single spin which means it's a total lottery whether you go forward or sideways. at least with a spool you know how it's going to behave every single time you plant boot. There ain't nothing wrong with using the throttle to steer the car

if i didn't have to put the car through a inspection (WOF) every 6 months i'd most certainly have a spool

Since my car does have over 300kw, I do give a shit. I also still have the original diff in it and the car has 125,000km on it and still going strong.

Have a look at the drags, there are plenty of commodores that run 400+rwkw on standard LSD and aftermarket LSD diffs without looking at spools. A lot will also tell you they get a better pass with a decent LSD than with a spool. Spools do work great in certain cars, and on the burnout pad.

Any idiot can abuse their car and blow diffs and axles; you don't need decent power for that.

Why is it always the 6cyl and turbo 4cyls that have spools and the V8s prefer a LSD?

On the road if you use a spool you are a tool...

QldKev

[STEALTHY™]

Since my car does have over 300kw, I do give a shit. I also still have the original diff in it and the car has 125,000km on it and still going strong.

Have a look at the drags, there are plenty of commodores that run 400+rwkw on standard LSD and aftermarket LSD diffs without looking at spools. A lot will also tell you they get a better pass with a decent LSD than with a spool. Spools do work great in certain cars, and on the burnout pad.

Any idiot can abuse their car and blow diffs and axles; you don't need decent power for that.

Why is it always the 6cyl and turbo 4cyls that have spools and the V8s prefer a LSD?

On the road if you use a spool you are a tool...

QldKev

That line is actually 'dont be a fool, get a spool'

Why do top fuelers use spools? If an LSD is just as good? Likewise other racing categories

[Pickled]

Shut up you ########, yeah blame the tires, blame the spool, but not yourself. You are a tool you wanna know why? You bought a car without asking questions about it, other wise you'd know it had a spool, and bald tires, something funny about all this is that you bought a car that has probably been thrashed.

Yes well we were all young and stupid once, come to think about it I'm still young and stupid but at least I'm learning, no actually the car was purchased off an old guy, modified then sold to me, nah mate why would you think that car had been thrashed? Did the spool give that away genius?

[QldKev]

That line is actually 'dont be a fool, get a spool'

Why do top fuelers use spools? If an LSD is just as good? Likewise other racing categories

A spool is a stronger setup; so for top end hp drag cars they need all the strength they can get and they only get driven under load straight. Same if you want a dedicated drift machine, a spool rocks. Both here are talking strictly drag or track cars.

Here we are talking street-able commodores. I agree an aftermarket clutch LSD is heaps better than the cone setup we have from factory in our Commodores.

Don’t forget as you turn the outer side tyre needs to travel a further distance; hence with a spool the tyre actually needs to slip and you get that jerking from it. Not very good for traction during a heavy turn, and chews out your tyres. This forced loss of traction is the reason you loose it in the wet, and even in the dry a spool is not very good for early cornering. A spool can get the best power down as you exit the corner.

Also don't forget a decent LSD that has been setup correctly will be locked under heavy load, delivering power to both wheels the same as a spool.

Everyone I know that has used a minispool on the road has removed it within a year.


QldKev

[Andrew426]

That line is actually 'dont be a fool, get a spool'

Funny, I read it as "I use a spool, I am a retard"

[VT-565]

I had a mini spool in my VT 5 speed V6.
It used to eat tyres like they were going out of fashion.
But I took it out.
And replaced it with a sheetmetal 9" diff housing, moser iron centre and 35 spline full spool.
Should go off like a frog in a sock

[Reaper]

That line is actually 'dont be a fool, get a spool'

Why do top fuelers use spools? If an LSD is just as good? Likewise other racing categories

1. Racing is very different to the street
2. No doubt what so ever that a spool is excellent for drag racing however their use is by no means universal in other racing categories.

Reaper

[STEALTHY™]

A spool is a stronger setup; so for top end hp drag cars they need all the strength they can get and they only get driven under load straight. Same if you want a dedicated drift machine, a spool rocks. Both here are talking strictly drag or track cars.

Here we are talking street-able commodores. I agree an aftermarket clutch LSD is heaps better than the cone setup we have from factory in our Commodores.

Don’t forget as you turn the outer side tyre needs to travel a further distance; hence with a spool the tyre actually needs to slip and you get that jerking from it. Not very good for traction during a heavy turn, and chews out your tyres. This forced loss of traction is the reason you loose it in the wet, and even in the dry a spool is not very good for early cornering. A spool can get the best power down as you exit the corner.

Also don't forget a decent LSD that has been setup correctly will be locked under heavy load, delivering power to both wheels the same as a spool.

Everyone I know that has used a minispool on the road has removed it within a year.


QldKev

Chews tyres and loses it in the wet? Any credibility you had just went out the window, sorry. These are common myths 'my uncles brothers neighbours dog walker' said, and are quite laughable (because their usually from people who havn't ever had any expereince with them).

If you Daily drive a spooled car, you wont notice any difference in tyre wear (whilst is common sense that it physically uses more tread, over a 'year' period you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a spooled car and a non spooled cars tyres, i know because i tested this myself with 2 identical cars).

Funnily enough, I dont know a single person that has removed their spool, other than one or 2 people online. I know plenty of 'satisfied customers'

1. Racing is very different to the street
2. No doubt what so ever that a spool is excellent for drag racing however their use is by no means universal in other racing categories.

Reaper

I know this was predominantly about the street, but he mentioned at the track.
VESA (while not the premier thing in motorsport, but the biggest Aus Category) have decided to KEEP using the spooled setup, as opposed to going to a LSD setup. Likewise the other categories (Fujitsu V8s and V8 utes)

[maldotcom2]

Spools are shit they kill people!

[STEALTHY™]

Spools are shit they kill people!

Haha, i'm almost contemplating giving you pos rep for that. Love the sarcasm

[QldKev]

Chews tyres and loses it in the wet? Any credibility you had just went out the window, sorry. These are common myths 'my uncles brothers neighbours dog walker' said, and are quite laughable (because their usually from people who havn't ever had any expereince with them).

If you Daily drive a spooled car, you wont notice any difference in tyre wear (whilst is common sense that it physically uses more tread, over a 'year' period you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a spooled car and a non spooled cars tyres, i know because i tested this myself with 2 identical cars).

Funnily enough, I dont know a single person that has removed their spool, other than one or 2 people online. I know plenty of 'satisfied customers'

The tyre wear is caused from the constant scrubbing when you turn a corner. How much it effects you will vary on where you live due to the amount of corners and the road surface; also how hard you drive through corners. Funny thing is so far all spool users in this thread have mentioned about their bald tyres. Both V8 commodores (one a very quick car) and a 180sx that I know that had spools did have issues with the rear end in the wet. It is no like they were slippery on ice; but compared to a decent lsd they were looser in the wet; where the drivers ended slower through the corners. It will also depend on your vehicle, all three of these cars had a heaps higher power to weight ratio than you car. One of the commodores and the 180sx drivers are close friends, and the other a work mate, that I worked with for about 8 years. Not just people I heard about or I read on the Internet.

I think there will be people who love their lockers and then haters; people who love their Hyclones,,,

QldKev

[STEALTHY™]

The tyre wear is caused from the constant scrubbing when you turn a corner. How much it effects you will vary on where you live due to the amount of corners and the road surface; also how hard you drive through corners. Funny thing is so far all spool users in this thread have mentioned about their bald tyres. Both V8 commodores (one a very quick car) and a 180sx that I know that had spools did have issues with the rear end in the wet. It is no like they were slippery on ice; but compared to a decent lsd they were looser in the wet; where the drivers ended slower through the corners. It will also depend on your vehicle, all three of these cars had a heaps higher power to weight ratio than you car. One of the commodores and the 180sx drivers are close friends, and the other a work mate, that I worked with for about 8 years. Not just people I heard about or I read on the Internet.

I think there will be people who love their lockers and then haters; people who love their Hyclones,,,

QldKev

Most spool owners generally use more tyres by choice, suggest its a person who ONLY has fun on the track, the tyres will last years when daily driving, just like mine did. Power to weight means ####all, driving spiritedly changed things. I went through 4 sets of tyres in a 4 day weekend, yet my 18s lasted over a year on my car (and then went onto my wagon and lasted a further 8ish months). The fact is they can last just as long as an LSD equiped car, if you choose it (but lets face it, most people would get a spool for one reason, and thats the intention of doing burnouts).

For the record, I chose a spool because it doesn't wear out. I would have had to have spent $1000s on LSDs in the last 7 years as opposed to ONE diff.

[Andrew426]

Haha, i'm almost contemplating giving you pos rep for that. Love the sarcasm

Bro, its not a joke. You sit in your computer chair laughing, but people have been killed and lives ruined because of idiots like you doing illegal modifications.

This car is believed to have had a welded diff
Teen pleads guilty after runaway car kills toddler - Story - National - 3 News

I know you are gonna reply "but im a good driver, that will never happen to me" but thats all bullshit. Being a good driver is 20% skill and 80% attitude. And you obviously have the wrong attitude.

[VT-565]

Bro, its not a joke. You sit in your computer chair laughing, but people have been killed and lives ruined because of idiots like you doing illegal modifications.

This car is believed to have had a welded diff
Teen pleads guilty after runaway car kills toddler - Story - National - 3 News

I know you are gonna reply "but im a good driver, that will never happen to me" but thats all bullshit. Being a good driver is 20% skill and 80% attitude. And you obviously have the wrong attitude.

If you're gonna pick a story to back your own, get something better.
Something where they don't mention 'modified springs'...
Didn't need a spool to do that damage.

Spools have a place.
LSD's have a place.
Peoples opinions on the line between will be different, we should all accept that.

[padrickz88]

LOL some of you guys make me laugh, Seriously stop preaching what you have heard and start showing some proof....
Also as stealthy said above, ANY CAR is dangerous, it all depends on the driver. Use common sense and you will be fine.

Bro, its not a joke. You sit in your computer chair laughing, but people have been killed and lives ruined because of idiots like you doing illegal modifications.

You have to be joking?
Im sure more lives have been taken away in car related accidents due to speeding, drink driving, not driving to the conditions, bald tyres, worn out suspension, bad brakes etc then spools have, So seriously Get the #### over it

All good with a full spool, until you launch it hard snap an axle and put it into a wall at 100+mph cause one wheel is still driving hard. Give me a decent LSD any-day for me...

QldKev

LOL dude, seriously, To snap an axle on a launch you need a shitload of power, and put it into a wall at 100mph? thats 160km, If someone stapped an axle and didnt get off the pedal straight away then they deserve what they get, and not to mention if you had a car with enough power to snap an axle on take off then the other wheel would just spin...... Big hole in your theory BUUUUUUUUT if somehow that was possible then its a perfect example of the driver being the problem and not the diff

[Andrew426]

You have to be joking?
Im sure more lives have been taken away in car related accidents due to speeding, drink driving, not driving to the conditions, bald tyres, worn out suspension, bad brakes etc then spools have, So seriously Get the #### over it

So you're saying its ok if only 1 or two people die from it?

Wrong attitude man.

The fact that this thread seems to be about 'an LSD being less dangerous in the wet than a spool' is ####in rediculous, and you obviously shouldnt be fitting either.

[ParkwayDrv]

I am a retard

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[VT-565]

LOL dude, seriously, To snap an axle on a launch you need a shitload of power, and put it into a wall at 100mph? thats 160km, If someone stapped an axle and didnt get off the pedal straight away then they deserve what they get, and not to mention if you had a car with enough power to snap an axle on take off then the other wheel would just spin...... Big hole in your theory BUUUUUUUUT if somehow that was possible then its a perfect example of the driver being the problem and not the diff

I think Qld Kev was referring to drag racing there.
To snap an axle on launch doesn't require bulk power.
You need traction to do that.

[QldKev]

LOL dude, seriously, To snap an axle on a launch you need a shitload of power, and put it into a wall at 100mph? thats 160km, If someone stapped an axle and didnt get off the pedal straight away then they deserve what they get, and not to mention if you had a car with enough power to snap an axle on take off then the other wheel would just spin...... Big hole in your theory BUUUUUUUUT if somehow that was possible then its a perfect example of the driver being the problem and not the diff

That was an example of what happens in the real world! have you ever been to the drags? I've seen it happen plenty of times; cars launching good and suddenly shooting off sideways. Sometimes the driver is lucky they get to be the driver again. I know you are such a good driver, you could respond fast, and these others can't drive for sh!t. Have you ever though at a decent launch, at peak torque when the axle would snap that the engine would have enough momentum to continue driving the rear tyres for a while; not a long period just enough to throw that power into that one 1 axle.

But after a search last night on other forums it seems you guys are in your own world with loving spools for the street. I'll leave my comments here and you can go on defending your spools.

QldKev

[STEALTHY™]

Bro, its not a joke. You sit in your computer chair laughing, but people have been killed and lives ruined because of idiots like you doing illegal modifications.

This car is believed to have had a welded diff
Teen pleads guilty after runaway car kills toddler - Story - National - 3 News

I know you are gonna reply "but im a good driver, that will never happen to me" but thats all bullshit. Being a good driver is 20% skill and 80% attitude. And you obviously have the wrong attitude.

You have no clue what i'm going to reply.

First thing, the 'welded diff' didn't kill anyone, the ####wit behind the wheel did.
2nd, I know it wont happen to me, because I dont do hero drifts in residential area's.