VR BUICK 290KW possible?

[Pickle']

hi guys im yet planning to get a VR manual wagon as a project. Im not the greatest with engines i just wanna have fun with the exterior and interior but no use having something looking nice if it runs like shit.. basically i want it to be able to eat a FG XR8 which ive been told is 290KW. what mods can be done to the car to be able to create this power and is it possible and how much would i be looking at to get it done. where is a decent place in adelaide that would do this?

[edals]

To be Honest I would be getting a LS1 Conversion if you want that sort of power. Making a V6 do that will probably cost a lot more then a LS1 conversion & a Tune. But thats just what i think.

[Andrew426]

You want to talk to delcowizid about this, He might be able to get you started with a turbo setup.

You wont be doing it reliably on a stock bottom end though, thats probably whats going to cost you most.

[DLFHUB666]

Got some deep pockets pickle46? i agree with edals you would have to throw like 10 grand at a buick to get those kind of figures an then its probabley still not as quick.

[2DIE]

Probably fork out a few grand for a Alloytec and about another 5 grand for a vortech charger = 300kw, thats if you must have a 6

If you want those figures out of a Buick then you probably would start with a stroker kit + cams + heads + turbo/super charger set up, already looking at about 10k there and that probably wont even get you close.

But for half that money you could just go buy something that will flog the XR8

[Pickle']

not 100% keen on the v6 as i said not great with engine i just know thats what they come with. i just like the body of the vr/vs models. if there is something i can do with a V8 that would get that power i would be keen.. just asking for suggestions at the moment.

With the Ls1 what kinda power would i be looking at and how hard is it to fit into a VR/VS, also would i be able to get a 6 speed box to fit..?

[Andrew426]

not 100% keen on the v6 as i said not great with engine i just know thats what they come with. i just like the body of the vr/vs models. if there is something i can do with a V8 that would get that power i would be keen.. just asking for suggestions at the moment.

With the Ls1 what kinda power would i be looking at and how hard is it to fit into a VR/VS, also would i be able to get a 6 speed box to fit..?

You can use a corvette g/box with the ls1.

The price of VT series 2 SSes is coming down quite a bit now though, you could buy a VT SS with an LS1 for less than the price of the conversion.

[Pickle']

what kinda power comes out of an LS1... and i know this sounds real stupid but what exactly are you referring to when you say (bottom end).. will a vt ss box and engine fit straight into a vs/vr.. and what other mods will i need to get the power

[Andrew426]

An LS1 in a VT is something like 225kw stock, and with a bit of work can be pushed to 300kw.

By bottom end I mean pistons, rods, crank etc.

Are you able to do this yourself, or planning on paying someone else?

[VR_Acclaim]

Hmm for ten u could buy a rotor thatl do the job

[Pickle']

nah not a home job.. i dunno much with engines.. i can change one but i cant mod one.. lol i am new but can only learn mate.. so a changeover i can do but mods will be paying someone else.. is the LS1 a 5.7L or the 5.0L sorry dont know the V8s only know the v6's..

[VR_Acclaim]

5.7 mate a very good motor match it with a 6 speed and a decent diff in a wagon n ull have a machine

[Pickle']

so if i was to want a vt.. this would be perfect then a possible turbo?

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[pjdm1980]

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[immortality]

a half decent V6 turbo will get you there. it has been done before.

[Pickle']

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it seems cheapers to buy a whole car...?

[karlos]

L67 conversion would nice.At 280-300kw you would be punching 850rwnm+ of torque with one of these.

[VT-565]

L67 conversion would nice.At 280-300kw you would be punching 850rwnm+ of torque with one of these.

lol stick your rear wheel torque figures up your arse

I agree with the conversion though, I have a 4 litre with an M90 on it, made nearly 300rwhp and run a 13.97 at 97mph in a hilux lol

Failing that, RB or 2JZ conversion

[Pickle']

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Can i ask stupid question but whats the difference between getting a conversion and getting just the box and engine... and what makes it 6k more expensive?

[immortality]

a conversion should have everything needed to complete the conversion. when you buy just the engine and the trans there are still lots of other bits required to complete the conversion. some of the big ones been wiring looms, PCM, engine/trans mounts and cross member........

[Pickle']

yeah i understand all that but they want 10k for a conversion or 4.4 for a box and engine

[immortality]

if you want to do a conversion, find a damaged car at a auction, as long as it's not damaged in the area you want the bits from it is the easiest way

[karlos]

lol stick your rear wheel torque figures up your arse

I agree with the conversion though, I have a 4 litre with an M90 on it, made nearly 300rwhp and run a 13.97 at 97mph in a hilux lol

Failing that, RB or 2JZ conversion

Im confused here,you dont agree with the figures.Plenty have these numbers on L67Torque.com
on stock bottom ends,cam and heads.

Torque gets you moving,without it you are nothing unless you have a 5000rpm stall to hide behind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOZe5bemEo 850+nm of torque at the wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJuLQ...eature=related Same as above but with a whipple charger.Cop that.....These are the most underestimated engine imo.

TORQUE TURNS TIRES

[Pickle']

lol if i could just get an engine build with a shit load of torque id probably be happy.. cheers for the response

[VT-565]

Im confused here,you dont agree with the figures.Plenty have these numbers on L67Torque.com
on stock bottom ends,cam and heads.

Torque gets you moving,without it you are nothing unless you have a 5000rpm stall to hide behind.
YouTube - Pauls V6 L67 VT @ BYE performance 850+nm of torque at the wheels.

YouTube - supercharged v6 wagon runs 10.98 Same as above but with a whipple charger.Cop that.....These are the most underestimated engine imo.

TORQUE TURNS TIRES

Nice post, but you missed my point completely.
Chassis dyno torque figures aren't the best.
They are a calculation and have a lot of variables.
Now to say a 4000lb car can get to 60 feet in 1.8 seconds in quoted conditions is a different story.
If you want torque figures from an engine, it goes on an engine dyno.