Vs starter pissing me off.

[Kingo]

Having a starter problem that is really getting to me, can't for the life of me figure it out.

Now this is a new starter motor.

Go to start the car, it cranks over a little like normal, then a wrenching sound (like the car was about to kick over) and stops... now the starter is stuck. out with a hammer and give it some love taps, try to start, nothing, more love taps, turns over a little then wrenching sound, stuck... repeat until the bastard starts.

this is getting just a tad annoying.

back story... initially I had a starter that was dying for a while and I let it slide, then it degraded to the point where it wasn't disengaging when running and making a hell of a racket. this prompted me to change it.
swapped it for a 2nd hand one, worked fine for a while then started getting stuck. after a while I thought oh well get a new starter... worked well for a while, then started getting stuck...

So I'm tending to lean towards it not being a problem with the starter itself.. but buggered if I know what is actually wrong.

Any ideas would be much appreciated.

[Hangman]

Check the teeth on the flywheel.

[Kingo]

did that when I changed the rear main seal, seemed fine to me, although covered in crustied up coolant crud, which I cleaned up.
but it was happening before and after this.

[delcowizzid]

is there a shim between the starter and the block some have a shim some dont shim will move the teeth slightly further out of mesh

[justbad4you]

try an error code check?

Having a starter problem that is really getting to me, can't for the life of me figure it out.

Now this is a new starter motor.

Go to start the car, it cranks over a little like normal, then a wrenching sound (like the car was about to kick over) and stops... now the starter is stuck. out with a hammer and give it some love taps, try to start, nothing, more love taps, turns over a little then wrenching sound, stuck... repeat until the bastard starts.

this is getting just a tad annoying.

back story... initially I had a starter that was dying for a while and I let it slide, then it degraded to the point where it wasn't disengaging when running and making a hell of a racket. this prompted me to change it.
swapped it for a 2nd hand one, worked fine for a while then started getting stuck. after a while I thought oh well get a new starter... worked well for a while, then started getting stuck...

So I'm tending to lean towards it not being a problem with the starter itself.. but buggered if I know what is actually wrong.

Any ideas would be much appreciated.

[Kingo]

nothing relating to starter in error codes. only stupid ones because i'm running gas.

[JAAV]

V6 or 8 If its a V8 is it the correct starter? The wrong one will cause exccess engagment.

[Kingo]

its a v6.
i'll have to pull off the flexplate cover and stick my head under there while someone starts the car so i can have a good look at what is going on.
fun times.

[delcowizzid]

the shim will be missing binding up the teeth ide say

[justbad4you]

hope you work it all out in the end....cheeeers

its a v6.
i'll have to pull off the flexplate cover and stick my head under there while someone starts the car so i can have a good look at what is going on.
fun times.

[Kingo]

the shim will be missing binding up the teeth ide say

I don't remember there being a shim when I took off the original starter... but then it could have been stuck to it and I didn't notice.

and unless it was somehow stuck to the block, there definately isn't a shim there now.

any idea how thick they are?

[delcowizzid]

1/2 - 1mm just a sheet metal shim the shape of the starter with 2 holes in it

[hdtkid]

i agree with delcowizzid,

recently i did a gearbox conversion, and the starter from the doner car needed a shim, but i never got it.
got a friend to crank it with my under it and saw it was hitting the flywheel before it got to engage.

just as a quick test i got 2 thin washers and put em in behind the bolts. and no problems. (i made the proper shim the next day)

but when my starter packed it in... i went to get a reco one and that was shimless so just bolted straight on.

this is for manual i dunknow about autos they are bosh mine is a delco

[Kingo]

i reckon you two might be right. have done a little research and this makes the most sense.
just hope I haven't screwed up the new starter too much from it binding up and me giving it 'love taps'

cheers delcowizzid and hdtkid, will have a look this arvo and hopefully all is well.

[zelby11]

check the crank angle censor

[JAAV]

"love taps" on the new reduction drive starters, breaks the permanent magnets in the starter fields.....So be carefull.

[Kingo]

well, although this is going to make me look extremely stupid...
turns out it was just a loose earth lead to the starter

I discovered this only after taking off the flexplate cover to look at the 'stuck' starter, realising that it wasn't stuck at all. jiggled the earth lead a bit, and away she went.

guess this just reinforces that old addage, "check the simple things first".