vs ute hp

[20Reino00]

what is the best mod possible for money to hp value? i have stage 4 memcal, mod chip, 2.5" cat back, and cold air intake. is there anything you can do to increse horsepower without spending if so what? if money needs to be spent what would be best out of 12mm plenum spacer, 190mm bored throttle body, 12mm manifold insulator, extractors, hi flow cat converter, or b&m shifter? i have a 2000, series 3, commodore ute, automatic 4 spd v6

[old mate]

lol at stage 4 chip? is that like a cop chip?

get a set of higher ratio rockers.

or do a search, its everywhere. maybe have a look in the v6 performance section, there is a big write up in there about this sort of thing.

[20Reino00]

how much are high ratio rockers?

[Vee-ard]

Wow. You can get a 190mm throttle body? Also, not entirely sure how you get both a 'stage 4 memcal' and a 'mod' chip?

Best value for money? Auto to manual conversion, also a v6 to v8 conversion.

[neet_wagon]

Boost will fix this.

[VT-565]

what is the best mod possible for money to hp value? i have stage 4 memcal, mod chip, 2.5" cat back, and cold air intake. is there anything you can do to increse horsepower without spending if so what? if money needs to be spent what would be best out of 12mm plenum spacer, 190mm bored throttle body, 12mm manifold insulator, extractors, hi flow cat converter, or b&m shifter? i have a 2000, series 3, commodore ute, automatic 4 spd v6

Extractors and a decent cat, Manifold spacer and then insulator if you can fit it.
Set of shorter diff gears, a shift kit in the trans, change the servo and you can even put a different stall converter in there if you want.
Will get it going

Also, don't tell too many people about your stage 4 memcal, they're pretty rare and you'll start getting mobbed by people who want to buy it off you

[monkeys437]

What the hell is a stage 4 memcal? As in what changes have been made to the factory tune?

[20Reino00]

stage 4 memcal which i have in my ute, im not sure what they changed from stock but it definately made a difference. the chip i have does: Have you ever noticed that your car is quicker when it is cold outside and wondered why it could not always be that quick? Well this module once fitted sends a signal to the ECU just like it does when it is cold, then the ECU slightly adjusts the air/fuel mixture which boosts your cars power, it is very simple The best thing is economy is not increased and can be improved with the module

[DavoVP]

I think youve played to much Need For Speed,

Stage 4 and a mod chip ( like X box yeah ? ) PMSL thanks for the lol this morning

I suggest you take that 2 grand and invest in an education, Perhaps a simple mechanics course ?

[Brett_jjj]

Why the hell does everyone have to have a go at these new members who post up these sorts of questions.We all know that most of these type of posts are probably posted up by 17 year old kids who probably wouldnt know a spark plug from a bath plug.
This site needs every member it can get,or it will eventually fail big time,no one will want to come near the place.Ive saved thousands upon thousands of dollars by using the info thats on this site, I think a lot of people dont realise the actual valve of this info thats on this site,and anyone who is a commodore person should worship this site and do everything they can to keep it going,including not giving new young members crap about stupid questions theyve posted..
This person will probably not come back now,and Ive noticed this happens a lot to new young blokes who ask stupid questions,so thats why Im saying something.And another thing,as soon as one person says something, everyone jumps on the wagon and tries to be funny or smart or whatever they think they are trying to be.This guy obviously needs to do a hell of a lot of learing,but thats no reason to have a go at him,and to keep having a go at him..

[Vee-ard]

Brett, you make a good point. But the problem is that with most of them, you can correct them but they wont believe what you're telling them because a "mate of a mate" or they "read it somewhere" said that it was one way and not another. If they were an apprentice in industry they'd quickly be stripped of those incorrect beliefs in not an entirely pleasant way.

I for one (and I guarantee you I'm not alone on this) don't have time to baby the type of people who seem convinced of the existence of cop chips, and quite frankly I doubt these people would be coming back very often to offer any sort of helpful advice (and adding to the contributing community) apart from creating a thread in the "my ride" section and arguing over what produces more horsepower, a 9" tacho or a 3 inch exhaust. If this site only stays afloat by letting these sort of members multiply, I'd rather not be a part of it anymore anyway.

Lets make room for the type of people that can ask sensible and intelligent questions, and aren't going to ask for advice, then tell the people answering that they're wrong. It's ####ing irritating, and they should go back to installing plenum spacers and chopping springs without the aid of this forum. Make room for people who can admit when they're wrong and are here to learn something from people who most of the time know better than them, otherwise, why come here and ask questions at all?

The 17 year old that thinks the bath plug is a spark plug is quite welcome if he doesn't tell me to piss off because he knows better.

Not saying that all of this has happened in this thread alone, but you aren't just talking about this isolated thread either.

[20Reino00]

hey mate sorry to burst your bubble but i am a mechanic.

[Jesterarts]

hey mate sorry to burst your bubble but i am a mechanic.

Epp... this is concerning.

You're a mechanic and you use something that gives the ECU incorrect data about the air temp and causes the car to run rich?

And how can fuel economy not be affected or improved?

Being a "mechanic" you would know that if the ECU is tricked into thinking it's colder it increases the fuel/air ration. So more fuel is being used.

If your ECU is getting data that it's cold all the time, then it's using more fuel all the time and running rich.

And since you are a "mechanic" then you should know that running your car too rich all the time is bad.

So, in light of ALL of this, I would suggest that if you want some more hp, i would take out the "mod chip" and you will find a few extra HP when your engine is running properly.

EDIT:
Just noticed... 190mm TB? You have a 19cm TB? Is that what we're going with here? Did you mean 90mm perhaps? And keep in mind... 90mm is still MONSTEROUS.

Sorry mate, but you're having us on right?

[ari666]

190mm bored throttle body,

thats pretty impressive right there. im pretty sure your throttle body is larger than the combined venturies of my 650 holley...

[HamaTime™]

Brett, you make a good point. But the problem is that with most of them, you can correct them but they wont believe what you're telling them because a "mate of a mate" or they "read it somewhere" said that it was one way and not another. If they were an apprentice in industry they'd quickly be stripped of those incorrect beliefs in not an entirely pleasant way.

I for one (and I guarantee you I'm not alone on this) don't have time to baby the type of people who seem convinced of the existence of cop chips, and quite frankly I doubt these people would be coming back very often to offer any sort of helpful advice (and adding to the contributing community) apart from creating a thread in the "my ride" section and arguing over what produces more horsepower, a 9" tacho or a 3 inch exhaust. If this site only stays afloat by letting these sort of members multiply, I'd rather not be a part of it anymore anyway.

Lets make room for the type of people that can ask sensible and intelligent questions, and aren't going to ask for advice, then tell the people answering that they're wrong. It's ####ing irritating, and they should go back to installing plenum spacers and chopping springs without the aid of this forum. Make room for people who can admit when they're wrong and are here to learn something from people who most of the time know better than them, otherwise, why come here and ask questions at all?

The 17 year old that thinks the bath plug is a spark plug is quite welcome if he doesn't tell me to piss off because he knows better.

Not saying that all of this has happened in this thread alone, but you aren't just talking about this isolated thread either.

And this is the truth, the majority of threads on here are silly questions which end up having the people spending the time to give their knowledge and advice have their contribution thrown in their face by 17 year old dopes who think that their V6 with a cop chip can outrun a ####ing jet car.

And sorry Reino, if your a mechanic, I suggest this as a good time to start unlearning what you have learnt in regards to A/F ratio's and if you were a mechanic, then you should know one of the first great starting points to increase engine output is starting with the valve train and cylinder heads.

[304runner]

What you should do for some honest advice is tell us how much you can afford to spend on your car. Weather it be $50 or $500, maybe even a lazy 5 large, and we can throw down some ideas as to what we would do with it.

[AirStrike]

what is the best mod possible for money to hp value? i have stage 4 memcal, mod chip, 2.5" cat back, and cold air intake. is there anything you can do to increse horsepower without spending if so what? if money needs to be spent what would be best out of 12mm plenum spacer, 190mm bored throttle body, 12mm manifold insulator, extractors, hi flow cat converter, or b&m shifter? i have a 2000, series 3, commodore ute, automatic 4 spd v6

Factory throttle body cannot be taken out that large mate.

[BowTie]

I'm not gettin into all that^

I'm going to focus and stick to the original question.

In the entire gamut of modifications I have tried on ecotecs,

best bang for buck, on the cheap, is to delete the balance shaft drive gear and delete the aircon with a non-ac accessory belt. Removing the aircon itself is optional.

The torque gains between 2-3000rpm are quite noticeable.

[VT-565]

A mechanic worth their salt would know that a B & M Shifter would do squat for a stock gearbox.

I ain't buying it.

[Brett_jjj]

And this is the truth, the majority of threads on here are silly questions which end up having the people spending the time to give their knowledge and advice have their contribution thrown in their face by 17 year old dopes who think that their V6 with a cop chip can outrun a ####ing jet car.

And sorry Reino, if your a mechanic, I suggest this as a good time to start unlearning what you have learnt in regards to A/F ratio's and if you were a mechanic, then you should know one of the first great starting points to increase engine output is starting with the valve train and cylinder heads.

Id like to know how you blokes reckon that the majority of posts on here are from idiots with "silly questions".And if thats the case, then why do you come here and post answers to these "silly Questions"..The majority of posts I answer on here are from persons who do know a little,but just need some advice about whatever.

[monkeys437]

I hope it didnt sound like I was knocking chips because I wasnt, I actually have one in my car. The guy who programmed mine it said he changed the fuel mapping to optimize running 98 octane fuel and sharpened up the shift points to improve responsiveness. I was pretty happy with the improvments and ive done alot of k's with it with no bad effects. I wast just wondering what the hell "Stage 4" means.

As far as mods go, if I was a mechanic with A stock V6 to mod I would definitely go turbo and save cash by doing all the labour myself. Very good bang for buck IMO

[Jesterarts]

I hope it didnt sound like I was knocking chips because I wasnt, I actually have one in my car. The guy who programmed mine it said he changed the fuel mapping to optimize running 98 octane fuel and sharpened up the shift points to improve responsiveness. I was pretty happy with the improvments and ive done alot of k's with it with no bad effects. I wast just wondering what the hell "Stage 4" means.

As far as mods go, if I was a mechanic with A stock V6 to mod I would definitely go turbo and save cash by doing all the labour myself. Very good bang for buck IMO

I think people are more focused on the "mod chip" the op mentioned that tricks the ECU into thinking its cold. You know, the ones you buy off fleabay and put in your airbox.

Proper memcal replacement and programming is great, as with any tune you will get results. But I can safely assume that whoever did the tuning on the "stage 4" memcal did not intend to have it used with a $2 ebay resistor that sends incorrect data to the ECU. Usually tunes are designed to get the most efficiency out of the available and assumingly accurate sensor data.

[knight_vs]

some of you guys have been way too harsh on this, us '17 year olds' need to learn somewhere i thought id get good info on here and i have lots, but if your gonna be like that to someone who has just been confused go @#!% yourselves its low and not what this site is about