Will these fit? VS commo

[Kieranj]

Hey guys, Still on my L's and trying to get my car half decent before I get my P's so I'm still learning.

I got my hands on 5 VT SS wheels, and I was wondering if they would fit on my VS wagon. I'm still stuck as to whether the bigger ones will given the larger width.

3 are 235/45Z R17 97W which I'm pretty confident about?
the other 2 are 255/40Z R17 so thats what I'm stuck on.

The VS is stock height at the moment
cheers for the help.

[GEN3RATD]

chuck the 255's on the rear, 235's on the front, and she will be sweet.
you might run into problems with lowering the rear though

[noddycommodore]

That's true I have a lowered vr, I am running 235's on the rear and even with the adjustable pan hard rod I scrub the rear tyres down a rough road or if there is people in the rear. It depends on the offset. If there different between the mags with the 255's and the 235's it may work

[Kieranj]

Well at the moment there aren't any plans for lowering, I haven't got the money for it and as good as it looks stock ride height will suit me until I can dump and start getting pulled over!

[sweefu]

Just out of interest mate, what brand are the tyres front and rear?
Cheers.

[Kieranj]

hey sweefu, tyres on the back are yokohamas and not sure about the front, Falkins I think. Picked them up off eBay

[Kieranj]

bump!
Spoken to a couple of people, one of which told me that due to the VS wagons live axel, 255 tyres may scrub at any time. As the set has 3 235 tyres and 2 255 tyres (all 17inch), I was wondering if I could just solve the problem by buying 2 new 235 tyres so that all wheels are running 235s and none will scrub?

[mr calais 5.0]

You could roll or trim the lips on the rear if you got really stuck..

[Kieranj]

dunno about that mr calais, seems a lot of work for something that probably has an easier fix. I was thinking of either taking the 255 tyres off and replacing with 235 tyres (just a question of whether those wheels will be too wide for a 235 tyre - I dont know). Or just shopping around for a couple more that match the other 3. Pretty dissapointed that I didn't realise they were from different sets, yet they may still fit and all could be okay.

[monkeys437]

If theyre standard VT SS rims the 235's will fit for sure. I think thats the standard width for them

[BowTie]

The 255's won't fit on the rear. They will rub the inside, not the guard.

235's will fit but you will need to align your panhard very accurately for it to not rub the chassis or fit some spacers.

The guard lips will clear the wheels easily.

The 255's will be a pain on the front with rubbing the shock too.

[Kieranj]

thanks for the replies monkeys and BowTie. Dad and I jacked it up today to have a play with them and found that the 255s left no tread (rubbed the inside as BowTie said). So they're out, which leaves me with 3 wheels, so we tried the 235s on and they seemed to leave very little thread also. So we went down to the local Bob Jane to pee in their pocket for a bit of info, the bloke said they fit 235s to VS commodores all the time with no worries. So that leaves me with 3 useful wheels and 2 useless wheels
anybody have a spare (or two) VT SS wheel 17" with 235 tyres? So I can have another one and possibly a spare? Or swap for the 17" 255s? I'm keen on getting all 235s so I can run them without difficulty.
Thanks guys.

[VP-Matty]

How much tread are on the 255 tyres? If there isn't much then I'd just replace them with new 235s. If they are good, maybe get them replaced with new 235s anyway but keep the 255s and try to sell them on ebay or something.

and possibly a spare?

If you mean "put the spare 235 in the wheel well in the back of your wagon" then I'd say no. They spare wheel well is very shallow and doesn't want to take anything wider than about 175 or 185 without having the cover sitting up stupidly.

If you mean "keep one in the shed in case I stuff one" then I'd say yes. Maybe put the most dinged up wheel on the left rear. As you're on your L's you'll surely hit the gutter on a reverse park every now an then - no point trashing a good rim!

[Kieranj]

yeh matty all good points. Thats what I was confused about though, Dad thinks its not possible to put 235 tyres on the 2 wheels running 255s cause they'd be a wider rim so if I could do that I will just buy 2 new 235 tyres. Is that possible? Or are those 2 wheels too wide for 235s?

And with the spare Issue, It would most likely be in the shed, as the spare in the car in the moment is a stock spare because we recently got the wagon converted to gas and the tank is in the spare wheel well so I'm now building a floating floor to get the floor flat again, the spare wheel is stupidly bolted in to the side of the right wheel well. Looks stupid but I guess theres not a big tank in the boot and it saves space.

So basically what is the option of just taking the 255 tyres off and replacing with 235 tyres so that I have all 235s?

[VrWagz1]

Well, my wagon wont even accept 225's on the rear without scrubbing. 235's may just work on the rear without lowering. With king SL's i can only get 215's in there. But the difference maybe the vt rims. They may have a different offset to vx ss due to the vt ss having to fit the the vs s3 utes....? But like said im lowered front and rear and i run vx ss 45, 215's and for the reason thats what dosnt scrub. Got some 225's and they no go. TBH 215's are fine and im pretty happy to run them. Good in wet weather, cheaper to buy, got no grip issues.

[kiwicon]

Ive got 245x30x20s all round on my VS Sadan with IRS - no rubbing but have spacers..

[RX25SE]

The 255's won't fit on the rear. They will rub the inside, not the guard.

235's will fit but you will need to align your panhard very accurately for it to not rub the chassis or fit some spacers.

The guard lips will clear the wheels easily.

The 255's will be a pain on the front with rubbing the shock too.

100%

I have VY SS 17s on my wagon and the 235s rub the inside.

If you run 235s all round, you can rotate the rims front to rear to get maximum life from your tyres.

[RX25SE]

If you mean "put the spare 235 in the wheel well in the back of your wagon" then I'd say no. They spare wheel well is very shallow and doesn't want to take anything wider than about 175 or 185 without having the cover sitting up stupidly.

They sit too high with the stock 205/65-15 spare! Must be a throw back to the VN days and the 185/75-14s they used to run.

My spare is a 165/80-15. Same diameter as a 235/45-17 and the cover sits flush.

/off topic

[Dum*P*ster]

100%

I have VY SS 17s on my wagon and the 235s rub the inside.

If you run 235s all round, you can rotate the rims front to rear to get maximum life from your tyres.

Same wheels and size for mine to Sadly its not low..Stock height,


to OP - What is you're ride height? stock, orr have you lowered it

[VP-Matty]

Dad thinks its not possible to put 235 tyres on the 2 wheels running 255s cause they'd be a wider rim so if I could do that I will just buy 2 new 235 tyres. Is that possible? Or are those 2 wheels too wide for 235s?

Disclaimer: Someone please correct me if the following is wrong!

You should be able to tell by looking if the rims are the same width or not. (Dont quote me, but I believe the VT SS rims came in 17x7 and 17x8.) A 255 has 20mm wider tread than a 235, and an 8" wide rim is (obviously) 25mm wider than the 7". Look at the tyre walls - does the 255 tyre look fatter on the rim than the way the 235s are sitting? If so, then the rims are probably all the same at 7". If they look similar, then the 255s are probably on the wider 8" rim.

If you do have 2 wider rims, then I'd suggest getting rid of them and pick up a single 7" off ebay or somewhere. Dont quote me, but you MAY be able to fit 235s on the wider rims, but they wont look the same.

[Kieranj]

dumPster, my wagon is stock height, not enough cash flow to lower it, and I'm definately no expert but I'd think that would work in my favour to run 235s.

Matty, just to clarify, by tyre wall you mean the measurement from rim to ground? Or the width of the actual tyre, cause I'm not sure about the first but the 255s definately have width on the 235s (as expected). I would be very pleased if I could just chuck 235s on the current 255s, saves me finding more rims.

[RX25SE]

Take a look at the back of the rim.

Rim size is there. Should read 17JJx8 or similar. (17 inch diameter, 8 inch wide)
235/45-17 is the standard tyre fitted to this size rim.

[Kieranj]

All rims are 8" - 17x8J 48P.
Yet 3 are running 235s and 2 are running 255s.

EDIT:

Take a look at the back of the rim.

Rim size is there. Should read 17JJx8 or similar. (17 inch diameter, 8 inch wide)
235/45-17 is the standard tyre fitted to this size rim.

this means that I should be able to fit 235s easily right? This is good news.

[RX25SE]

Correct.
another benefit is this a common size, so is usually cheaper with a wider range.

[Kieranj]

Beautiful, I will be able to fit 235s and run them all round. Thanks for all the help RX25SE, and others, all the information has helped.

Just thought of another potential problem, so one last question to make sure it will still work, once I fit 235s and they're all the same, do the 8" wheels fit on a VS wagon? I suppose it depends on the offset or something but I don't really know how it works.