Suspension pushed back

[GothicKidd]

Alright, After noticing my driver side tyre closer to the gaurd then the other tyre.. I was thinking this had may occurred when I hit a couple of curbs.. but looking at older pictures.. It seems its always been that way.. Is this normal? and is it possible to readjust ? - It has no affect on driving what so ever.. and no tyrewear or anything unusual..
Driver Side;
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5958406_n.jpg
Passenger side;
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7671828_n.jpg

[woteva]

Looks like something is not right. Might have to see a crash repair shop to check it out if you cannot see anything wrong underneath.

[James39]

It sure is a sign that it has been in a prang. How long have you had it?

[GothicKidd]

Its been perfect up until I hit the curb.. been a bit weird since and really only noticed the wheel been pushed back..

Woteva, Since owning the car.. had a few mechanics look at it.. at different places.. never said anything..
Hmm.. After realizing it's always been like that.. and the front out suspension repairs I've had to do to it.. made me thought it's been in a accident or such.. I bought it back in.. August/September.. 2010 I do believe..

[General Xander]

the suspension couldve just sagged on one side

[GothicKidd]

the suspension couldve just sagged on one side

what do you mean by that?

[General Xander]

well my mates car, when its on flat ground and you look closely, you can see its on a very slight angle, mabe sat on a hill or gutter all the time or something, yours may have done the same thing

[General Xander]

hang on, just looked at the pictures, lol, yer i see what you mean, mabe a head on gutter mount, by the look of it it looks like it may have happened over time and thats why nothings broken, just stretched. mabe a new Z bar?

[GothicKidd]

Interesting, cheers mate.. Ill look into it..

[CJ - 1995]

you should probably get it checked out cuz my old man spun my car pretty hard into a gutter sideways and wrecked an alloy. we thought that was the only problem but took it to the mechanic just to make sure and apparently a few parts under the car were bent cost 900 bucks. and also the sagging i have that pretty severly on the drivers side as if no one has ever sat in the passenger seat but it has been like that since i got the car.

[Jonno]

lol. dam...

i hit gutter, well mounted it at a fair speed,

it looked like that.. but worse

bent k frame, bent strut and bent sway bar and bent power steering arm..

might wanna get it checked bro cos mine steered fine with it

[admir87]

possibly rooted radius rod bushes on the pushed back side, or bent suspension components...

I would check bushes first...the radius rod(z bar) controls the caster, which is what your problem is..but it is not really adjustable, so its gotta be some stuffed under their. take some photos of the suspension bushes under the car and post em up.

[GothicKidd]

I have got it checked out by a crash and auto place.. so Im sure they would of known if there was a problem? I never pointed out my Tyre was pushed back.. but wouldn't they notice something out of whack?

Im looking at getting struts in the near future, It almost feels like a gokart to drive sometimes with how rough the suspension is.. So I got my shocks and struts looked out.. and he said shocks r fine.. but struts are rooted...+ doesn't help when it looks like it has cut springs.. so maybe that might help?
I have got $800 dollars spent on repairs on the front end from I first bought it. and Ive never hit anything until recently.. :\ It has nolathane bushes throughout the front end..

Ill have another look under the car..

[SWE11L]

. and also the sagging i have that pretty severly on the drivers side as if no one has ever sat in the passenger seat but it has been like that since i got the car.

I have that too....

[Darcon666]

+1 Front Radius Rod bush is rooted(Easy fix, cheap part)

Or ZBar bent/rooted(Not that easy to fix, cheap)

[GothicKidd]

That was one of the bushes that was replaced.. before and after replacement it was pushed back..
that Z bars popping up alot.. hmph

[Clutchy]

If it has the nolathane radius bushes on the front they are adjustable so maybe they need the washers changed around to pull the wheel forward abit if the z bar is bent to me that would pull the wheel forward but either way take it to a front end joint not a crash repair joint.

[Cheap6]

If it's going to cost a few hundred dollars for a diagnosis or replacing parts on guesses it might be worthwhile trying what is called a "drop check". You'll need a plumb bob, 4 stands (or less ideally, ramps), a clean, flat concrete surface to work on, a tape measure and a pencil and sharpener (the concrete is hard on the pencil).

With the car up on the stands and level, use the plumb bob and pencil to transfer key points from the underside of the chassis and suspension to the floor. Use as many points as you think are necessary - at least the centres of the 4 K-member bolts and suspension pivot bolts would be a good start. Then measure the distances between the points to determine what, if anything, is out of alignment.

To check for square, the diagonals between the corners of a 4 sided polygon should be equal. If you want to go to the trouble, a tech college may have the workshop manual with the body alignment dimensions in it. Even a VN or VP manual will have most of the dimensions the same as VS.

More than a few mm out is enough to be concerned with. (You need to be accurate with your measuring for it to be valid.)

Other indications of things moving are rust stains and witness marks where the k-member has moved under the bolts and if a strut is bent you might see a polished section on the strut shaft under the dust boot.

[GothicKidd]

If it's going to cost a few hundred dollars for a diagnosis or replacing parts on guesses it might be worthwhile trying what is called a "drop check". You'll need a plumb bob, 4 stands (or less ideally, ramps), a clean, flat concrete surface to work on, a tape measure and a pencil and sharpener (the concrete is hard on the pencil).

With the car up on the stands and level, use the plumb bob and pencil to transfer key points from the underside of the chassis and suspension to the floor. Use as many points as you think are necessary - at least the centres of the 4 K-member bolts and suspension pivot bolts would be a good start. Then measure the distances between the points to determine what, if anything, is out of alignment.

To check for square, the diagonals between the corners of a 4 sided polygon should be equal. If you want to go to the trouble, a tech college may have the workshop manual with the body alignment dimensions in it. Even a VN or VP manual will have most of the dimensions the same as VS.

More than a few mm out is enough to be concerned with. (You need to be accurate with your measuring for it to be valid.)

Other indications of things moving are rust stains and witness marks where the k-member has moved under the bolts and if a strut is bent you might see a polished section on the strut shaft under the dust boot.

Wish I had half of those things.. Im not that clever anyways.. ill take a look for the 'other indications' tho.. cheers

If it has the nolathane radius bushes on the front they are adjustable so maybe they need the washers changed around to pull the wheel forward abit if the z bar is bent to me that would pull the wheel forward but either way take it to a front end joint not a crash repair joint.

Hm, Im thinking the frame has been nudged out.. The cars had some front end damage before I got it.. Oil Pan was crushed, required some repairs.. and the radiator support is smashed up.. Well personally I thought the crash repair joint would know all about it.. but Ill try to find a better place to take it too to get it checked out.. :\