vs getrag to vr t5 onto l67 swap

[MADDNE33]

Hey guys.
Done abit of a search and couldn't realy find my answer.
I'm currently converting my ecotec to a l67 and looking to run manual behind it. I have a vr ute with a 5sp (t5 box?) and wanna swap it for my getrag out of my Vs ute. The l67 will be going into the Vs. As far as I'm aware the bell housing pattern are the same and it should be a straight swap. Just need to change the clutch cables. Just a few questions.

What about the different speed sensors? How do you change this?
Will the t5 run on my getrag loom?
Will I need to get my vr solid flywheel balanced to suit the l67?
What about the manual dowel pins I've heard about? I no my old ecotec has them but are they nessasary?

Thanks for the help guys

[cander24]

Yes the getrag will bolt up to the L67. Its hydraulic though, not cable operated so you'll need to also fit the master cyliner and lines to the firewall and also fit a new pedal box. Yes the speed sensors between the T5 and getrag are differerent so just make sure you use a vs getrag harness with the getrag etc. I have one for sale in my signature below if you're interested. I know the harnesses can be modified to intercharge, but unsure of the process as it involves a module to convert the hall effect signal to be interchangable etc. With the getrag box, you will need to use a dual mass getrag clutch assembly or use a single mass conversion setup (different to your T5 Flywheel). The dowels are certainly a positive for obvious reasons, but not entirely necessary. They were only introduced from factory with the introduction of the getrag in the series 2 vs motors. Personally though while the motor is out I would fit a pair of them.
You'll also need to modify your manual loom to suit the L67 motor. This is essentially just lengthening wires on the drivers side to reach the injectors and coolant temp sensor located under the thermostat housing at the rear passenger side of the motor etc. If you source the L67 from other than a vs you'll also need to fit a vs coolant temp sender (for the cluster temp gauge) into the lower inlet manifold next to the coolant temp sensor.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Chris

[cander24]

Oh wait just re-read how you want to do it. You want to use the T5 behind the L67 yeah? Then yes use the T5 flywheel and have the balance factor of this mirror balanced to the L67 auto flexplate. You'll likely pick up some unwanted vibrations if you skip this step.
Cheers

[MADDNE33]

Yes the t5 behind the l67 and the getrag into the old vr. I will get my flywheel off the vr balanced the same as the flexplate on the l67. The vr clutch is starting to slip. Will this still be ok if I get it machined and a new clutched obviously. I'm thinking a decent heavy duty should do the job ok?

[MADDNE33]

Also are the tailshafts the same length and that? And why do I need to swap pedal boxes? Something to do with the clutch cable?

[MADDNE33]

Also are the tailshafts the same length and that? And why do I need to swap pedal boxes? Something to do with the clutch cable? Who could balance it for me in Perth wa?

Cheers

[The1]

Getrag and T5 run different speed sensors, for the VS you will need a manual PCM, a L67 tune and have all the auto fault codes disabled.

For the VS PCM check this thread for the differences.
http://delcohacking.net/forums/viewt...ual+pcm#p14995

[MADDNE33]

The car is allready manual and using the Vs getrag manual loom but getting it re burnt to suit the l67 motor.

[The1]

Getrag and Auto use the same speed sensor, T5 is different, auto is reluctor while the T5 uses a hall effect sensor, Most Getrag and Auto pcm's are missing the extra components if you look in that thread you can check your pcm. Manual L67's from the factory didn't exist, so you can have the flag changed but will need all the auto fault codes disabled.

[cander24]

Also are the tailshafts the same length and that? And why do I need to swap pedal boxes? Something to do with the clutch cable?

Tailshafts between T5 and getrag are different. And you'll need to swap the pedal box's because the getrag clutch is not cable operated, its hydraulic, so you'll need to swap all the hydraulic lines and master cylinder over with it.
Cheers

[MADDNE33]

Hmmm ok know I sort of understand. Only issue is this loom. I can't swap the two. Is there some way I can modify the getrag plug to suit the t5? I will just swap parts over directly e.g tails shafts gearbox mounts ect.. When the motor is in I'll be getting a tune to suit the manual so the auto codes will be deleted.

Thanks so much for the help guys

[MADDNE33]

sorry to bring a old thread up guys but i still have a few un answered questions.

I have found this on ebay,
Holden Commodore VS SUPERCHARGED V6 auto to T5 manual conversion kit | eBay

The computer i can sell for the price i pay for the kit so thats not a problem.

My ecotec to l67 conversion is done and sure enough about 3 weeks after the l67 went in the getrag has started whining horribly so the t5 conversion will start shortly.


Can i use my vr flywheel on the l67 if i get it mirror balanced with the flexplate? I have heard they are to light to use?

I will be using a cushion button clutch wich should hold up to the l67 torque

[GTP 85]

From the few getrags ive driven... all of them whine to a certain extent, even the T5's whine. If the gearbox is working alright and is not playing up just leave it IMO.

I also suggest passing on the cushion button clutch. A good heavy duty organic will take the torque and will be much more user friendly and nicer to drive. My daily, tho its a v8, has a button clutch and i hate it. Cant wait till it wears out so that i can fit a HD organic

[MADDNE33]

ill record a video and post it on here, the whine is that bad i can hear it over my stereo at full ball. Even when u deccelarate its whine and clunks.

Thanks for the reply mate