Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 29
Like Tree1Likes

Thread: VR Calais with t5 conversion wont start

  1. #1
    Ride
    VR '93 Calais

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Forster, NSW
    Posts
    65

    Default VR Calais with t5 conversion wont start

    hey guys, just converted the calais to manual, put the manual ecu and harness and everything in but it wont fire, the starter motor solenoid doesnt even click and i know it works...
    all the plugs are in and everything but it just does nothing when i turn the key
    the computer lights up fine the key turns fine stereo even works but theres just nothing from the starter.
    any help or ideas? would be much appreciated
    VR Calais, T5 Converted
    Selling auto gearbox and associated parts cheap, inbox for details

  2. #2
    FstStig's Avatar
    FstStig is offline Diagnostician
    Ride
    03 VY Acclaim / 93 VR Calais 5L

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Newcastle/Central Coast, NSW
    Posts
    1,138

    Default

    Is it the Manual starter motor or still the auto one?
    If it's not a Symptom its not relevant, and if its not relevant I don't care!

  3. #3
    Ride
    VR '93 Calais

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Forster, NSW
    Posts
    65

    Default

    tried both. they look exactly the same?
    just went through the wiring and it seems to be around the relay box cause we can fire the starter by touching the starter plug with a wire from the positive battery terminal
    but now the horn doesnt work either...
    VR Calais, T5 Converted
    Selling auto gearbox and associated parts cheap, inbox for details

  4. #4
    Ride
    2 feet

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    #
    Posts
    3,246

    Default

    didn't forget to bypass the p/n safety switch wires from the old auto shifter?

  5. #5
    FstStig's Avatar
    FstStig is offline Diagnostician
    Ride
    03 VY Acclaim / 93 VR Calais 5L

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Newcastle/Central Coast, NSW
    Posts
    1,138

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jxw View Post
    didn't forget to bypass the p/n safety switch wires from the old auto shifter?
    He is using the Manual wiring harness. Bypassing the safety switch is only required when using the auto wiring harness.
    If it's not a Symptom its not relevant, and if its not relevant I don't care!

  6. #6
    GTP 85's Avatar
    GTP 85 is offline 291 hp @ the wheels
    Ride
    MY04 WRX, VS SSenator & VS V6 track weapon

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Murray Bridge S.A
    Posts
    1,461

    Default

    Auto and manual starters arent the same?
    Hit me up with some reputation points if i've helped you out! (Star in the bottom left!) Cheers!

    GT Performance RUF 231- NA 3.8L- 13.03 @ 103 Mph... A 12 is but a run away! MY CAR>> http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...tml#post471410
    Daily Senator rep: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...ite-vr-ss.html

  7. #7
    Ride
    VR '93 Calais

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Forster, NSW
    Posts
    65

    Default

    how are they not the same? the unit is exactly the same, and all they are is a motor with a solenoid which when sent power, drives the flywheel gear?
    checked the diagnostics and it came up with code 33 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (MAP) high voltage ?
    VR Calais, T5 Converted
    Selling auto gearbox and associated parts cheap, inbox for details

  8. #8
    Ride
    2 feet

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    #
    Posts
    3,246

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FstStig View Post
    He is using the Manual wiring harness. Bypassing the safety switch is only required when using the auto wiring harness.
    it isn't part of the engine loom it's part the body wiring, where the reverse switch wires that you've had to extend there should be another 2 unused pins in that plug.
    grey and a grey/blue wire, are these joined?

    VR Calais with t5 conversion wont start-vr-start-charge.jpg

    map fault won't stop it from turning over.
    Last edited by Jxw; 20-02-2012 at 03:33 PM.

  9. #9
    FstStig's Avatar
    FstStig is offline Diagnostician
    Ride
    03 VY Acclaim / 93 VR Calais 5L

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Newcastle/Central Coast, NSW
    Posts
    1,138

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jxw View Post
    it isn't part of the engine loom it's part the body wiring, where the reverse switch wires that you've had to extend there should be another 2 unused pins in that plug.
    grey and a grey/blue wire, are these joined?

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	vr start charge.jpg 
Views:	3986 
Size:	119.6 KB 
ID:	135196

    map fault won't stop it from turning over.
    Here is the guide if you are wanting to keep the AUTO Wiring harness and Computer
    Modifying Gearbox Loom. to keep auto computer. (VR only)
    On the manual gearbox there are two connectors One For the reverse lights and the other for the speed sensor.

    Connected to the auto shifter will be a white plug with four wires connected to it the grey and grey/black wires are for the neutral safety switch. they need to be shorted together to allow the car to start.
    The other two wires on this connector are pink and green, they are the wires for the reverse lights test this yourself by touching them together and looking at the reverse lights.
    To get the reverse lights working you will need some more wire to extend them to the gearbox. when you have enough length crimp a blade connector on each wire *Note they do not have to go onto the gearbox in a specific order (i had a spare loom sitting in the shed so i used the same colours to keep it factory looking.)
    To get the speed sensor working you will Need 3 things.
    Positive
    Negative
    Signal Wire to the dash.
    The signal wire is the Purple/White Cable this has to be extended over to just above the ecu. where you will also find a purple/white wire on a plug leading from the computer up into the dash. this is the wire you need to cut and connect your extended wire.
    For the Positive and Ground i used My spare Cigarette lighter Wiring but you could also use the wiring for the light around the auto shifter surround.
    Then drill a hole through your gearshift plate and put a grommet in and run the wires through to the connectors.( it is recommended you do this while the car is still up in the air.)

    No MAP fault wont stop it from turning over, it will only stop it from firing... Fix the fault that you know is there first.
    If it's not a Symptom its not relevant, and if its not relevant I don't care!

  10. #10
    FstStig's Avatar
    FstStig is offline Diagnostician
    Ride
    03 VY Acclaim / 93 VR Calais 5L

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Newcastle/Central Coast, NSW
    Posts
    1,138

    Default

    To the OP, Read this guide and you will find there IS a difference between the Auto and Manual Starter motors

    The complete Vn-Vr Manual Conversion Guide.
    If it's not a Symptom its not relevant, and if its not relevant I don't care!

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Vz calais wont start
    By HKS in forum VZ Holden Commodore (2004 - 2006)
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 18-06-2011, 03:31 PM
  2. vs calais wont start unless i kit unlock before i start
    By scottmcguinness172 in forum VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 13-05-2011, 04:40 PM
  3. Wont start after supercharger conversion , please help !!!!!!!!!!
    By YILDI2 in forum VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 17-10-2010, 01:55 PM
  4. VN calais wont start
    By 1990VNcalais in forum VN - VP Holden Commodore (1988 - 1993)
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-08-2009, 02:24 PM
  5. The Calais wont start..
    By markER717 in forum VN - VP Holden Commodore (1988 - 1993)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 22-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102