Cutting rear breaks for DRIFTING and hand brake problem

[rickyray]

Hey guys great site, im a newbie.
I have a VR Statesman and me and a mate were out for a cruise the other night and he was telling me something about being able to cut out my back brakes by clamping the fluid going to the back so you get full power from the back and breaks at the front for drifting.
Is there any truth in that.

Also my handbrake is totaly ****ed. I pull it right up and doesnt do anything i can drive with it up and doesnt make a bit of difference, Is it an easy fix

Anyone can help us out that will be great.

[WiLo]

umm stoping your rear brakes from working wont help you be a fully sick dorifto.
as for the handbrake tighten it up and it should work unless youve ****ed it by doing to many handbrakies

[betts]

if u really want to lose ur rear brakes the best thing to do is get line lockers. that way u can turn ur rear brakes on and off without completely losing them. yea my handbrake is rooted aswell i think all u have to do is tighten the cable, sounds prettye easy but i havent got around to it yet.

[Patrio7]

under the car where the cable hooks up to the handbrake there should be a bow like thingy and two nuts locked together, simply unlock them and take the slack out of your handbrake whilst its down [ take it just past slack ] then simply relock the nuts to hold it there, this should fix the hand brake issue.

so for the brakes you acctually want a little more bias to the rear to get it to swing out but clamping the lines has hree problems:

1) its dangerous
2) it's ileegal [ in wa ]
3) you'd have to replace the lines to get them working again.

line lockers are the better way to go [ though i thought they were mostly used in drags to hold the car for a burnout or in burnout comps.

hope that helps a little

[SaGe]

who would be stupid enough to try go sideways in a commodore. there not built for drifting they are passenger cars therefore meaning they r unbalanced. mainly the rear end is too heavy. in other words, u will start to go sideways and then eventually it will oversteer too much and u will do a 360 into a pole. if u want a drift car get urself a nice 180sx or 200sx cos jap cars can drift

trust me on this ive seen it happen over and over again, the most recent is when my mate tried to drift out of a slip lane in VXSS and spun out onto the other side of the road nearly into the next slip lane. he had to change he rear axle, rear wheel bearings and he also damaged his rims. cost him ova $1000 to fix it all. he did this cos he tried to follow my other mate in a drift who was with his RX-7

it gets me so angry when try hards talk about drifting in their commodores

[deserthead]

Silly people. When will you learn that the commodore is designed mainly as a family/fleet car. . . . . . . .

[MBS206]

HA HA HA HA! Can't drift a commo?

Go watch up at Oran Park, a work Colleague who properly drifts (Qualified 15th for Aus Nationals) watches a V6 VS Manual drift out there all the time.
He said there's basically no mods to it, except he believes a locked diff. He said it drifts all right...

If you want to really drift, you need to be on the track, as if you enter a corner on the road already sideways (How you do in proper drift) and something happens, you jam the brakes to stop, you spin, you crunch something, you kill someone!

DON'T attempt to drift on the road, it's f'ucking stupid! (worse then actually doing burnouts and dragging!) as you have LESS control over the car!

Locking the rear brakes also won't get you a better drift...
Drifters use three things to step the car out:
1) The Clutch
2) Handbrake
3) Sheer torque

[vnberlwagon]

who would be stupid enough to try go sideways in a commodore. there not built for drifting they are passenger cars therefore meaning they r unbalanced. mainly the rear end is too heavy. in other words, u will start to go sideways and then eventually it will oversteer too much and u will do a 360 into a pole. if u want a drift car get urself a nice 180sx or 200sx cos jap cars can drift

trust me on this ive seen it happen over and over again, the most recent is when my mate tried to drift out of a slip lane in VXSS and spun out onto the other side of the road nearly into the next slip lane. he had to change he rear axle, rear wheel bearings and he also damaged his rims. cost him ova $1000 to fix it all. he did this cos he tried to follow my other mate in a drift who was with his RX-7

it gets me so angry when try hards talk about drifting in their commodores

The world drifting champ drives a Commy Ute, u may have seen it in Street Machine, Street Commodores, Street Machine Commodores, it's part of the C.A.P.A. Racing/ Drag Organisation.

[WiLo]

Go watch up at Oran Park, a work Colleague who properly drifts (Qualified 15th for Aus Nationals) watches a V6 VS Manual drift out there all the time.
He said there's basically no mods to it, except he believes a locked diff. He said it drifts all right...

yeah, that guy is good, put doesnt really go to far past the level where is in comfortable, pretty much the same speed all the ime, whereas the better drifters out there are going into the corners a lot faster.
not taking away from the guys effort but it isnt as good as drifting the cars that are set up for it, s13s sprinters cefiros etc.
that guy is good though seeing as its pretty much just a lowered commodore, seen a fair few times where the person in front has spun out and he manages to come up before hitting them, or just spins himself out to avoid accidents.

[MBS206]

Alot of those S13s etc, have a bit of money spent on there suspension...

I'm not trying to say it's the be all and end all of drifting, but saying the commo can't drift is a load of bullshit.

The problem is, most commodores are auto... Autos are useless for drifting as you have no clutch to pump to break into wheel spin if needed.

[WiLo]

yeah i know but there are a lot more jap cars out there drifting, some dont have major work just some decent suspension and exhaust.
but i have seen 2 VS sedans out there going pretty good. but the first time i went out there there i saw a red VR/S ute that was absolutely killing everyone else out there IMO, had a decent suspension set up, V8 by the sound of it, going at it hard on some white VY SS rims, seeing the ute show some of the other guys how its done was a good thing to see.

[SaGe]

The world drifting champ drives a Commy Ute, u may have seen it in Street Machine, Street Commodores, Street Machine Commodores, it's part of the C.A.P.A. Racing/ Drag Organisation.

yea i know about that ute
first of all, that ute has serious torque.
second, money has been put into it so that it can drift like a drift car
and last of all, its a ute not a sedan, it has less weight at its arse-end than a sedan

if u look at the physics side of it u'd might understand, more weight at the arse-end puts more momentum at the arse-end. too much momentum at the arse-end spins u out and since the ute hasnt got that extra weight at the arse-end, it can drift easier

[commy92]

mate its easier to drift with weight in the rear end.

[SaGe]

lol wat r u talkin about. how do u think these jap cars do so well, cos they hav no rear doors or big space boot. they hav less weight in the back compared to the front

more weight in the back givs u more traction cos of down force

[Haze]

A Wheel Squeek Is Not A Drift!!!!!

[SaGe]

no shit......either is a fishie. a proper drift is ova a 45 degree angle offset to the direction ur car is heading

[MBS206]

Actually, it's frigging hard to drift a ute... They kcik and buck around...

Go drive a ute in the wet, and tell me how hard it is to actually CONTROL the ass end...
Now go do it in a sedan, it's SO more simple!
Takes a bit more torque... But heaps easier to control it once hung out!

[Stretchomatic]

u guys should check out the VP, i think, in the ignition DVD, sure its got some work done, but this thing pulls 360's and everything...it can drift...

[SaGe]

if ur stupid enough to drift in a commodore, i hope to see u in a pole one day

[rickyray]

is it just me or did sage get ****ed on.

[Haze]

i think we all know that any car can drift with the right amount of money and everything and i've heard about the lack of rear brakes helping crs drift before but they was a korean drifting teams car lol not a commo

[Raging Bull]

Drifting in commodores is stupid, not only are they heavy and aren't designed for drifting but a tight LSD or a locked diff(minispool) is a must. Try drifting with an open wheeler diff that come stock on commys and you'll either be scratching your head thinking why doesn't the rear end kick out or eventually it will kick out so upredictably you'll be wrapped around a pole. So if you're going to drift a commy atleast get a LSD or spool and do it off the street for starters.

[WiLo]

you need a decent LSD to be able to drift anything really, sure it can be done with an open diff but a LSD makes it so much better/easier.
maybe if you have some LSD it might make you think you can drift like beau yates etc

[VN_Luke]

beh. tight borgwarner 78 LSD will last all of about 10 nicely done corners and 2 spins, then it will start singling, the sideways force is horrible on the cone setup

Spool = way to go if you're excerting sideways force on the back wheels.

[VLACS]

mate its easier to drift with weight in the rear end.

your nuts mate. if it was easier, dont you think that the japs would be driving around in holdens?

its easier with a lighter end becasuse you can control it more. its like 2 objects going the same speed, one 500 kg one 1000 kg. the 1000kg one is harder to stop. same with your tail when when you fling it out.