A few random VS Questions

**VS Omega** · 04-11-2007, 03:33 PM

Was just wondering a few things and figured what better place to ask than the awesome Just Commodores forums

1. I have orange indicators in my guards but I'm not too fond of them at all, I've seen a few VR/VS's with clear ones so I guess they're a factory option/feature on higher-spec models. Anyways what I was wondering is did Holden use the same indicator fitting throughout different models? Obviously VZ/VE will not fit but how about the VT/VX/VY ones into a VS? I've even heard that the ones from a TS Astra will go straight on? I ask because if it's true then it will make it easier to get hold of a pair.

2. I have no electric windows in my car and was considering getting it done just for the front windows as it should be cheaper and less work. Besides the motors, switches and wiring is there anything else which is needed (settings to the cars computer etc.)? Or would it be easier to just get two front doors that already have electric windows? Is this a fairly easy job or not something I should attempt myself?

3. Eventually I want to replace the whole audio system in the car (wiring, speakers, head unit, add an amp) but for now I can only do it one part at a time (funding being the issue lol). I remember with the older models that the factory speakers shared a negative (I think?) and therefore that wiring couldn't be used with an aftermarket headunit. I notice though that for the VS each speaker *appears* to have it's own positive and negative. Therefore I wonder is it possible to use the factory speakers and wiring with an aftermarket headunit? I have speaker wire, should I replace the wiring now with proper speaker cable or just do the proper cable when I get new speakers?

4. Another one about the audio system, this will sound ridiculous but I don't know how many speakers there are and where they are. I know there's two in the parcel shelf, I think there is one in each front door (not sure?) and I'm definately not sure if there's two speakers in the dash just under the windscreen or not?

5. I want to have a remote boot release, like on the key along with the lock/unlock buttons. I was wondering what's required for doing it, besides a new key and is it expensive/difficult?

6. I've attached an image of the tail lights that I want to get and install, but I've heard they're illegal. Are they illegal because they don't have the red reflector, or is it another reason?

7. Also an attachment (image borrowed from an eBay listing for illustration purposes) is a picture of a VR/VS headlight. What I want to do is paint the bottom part (basically the frame, but not the reflectors) black. What I want to paint black I went over in red with photoshop. I know it will have an effect on the amount of light projected but will it be major or only a slight loss? Also in your opinions is this a bit over the top (ricey)?

8. I want to put some factory foglights in. Is this a big job and does anyone know what I'll need? I'm guessing inserts for the front bumper, the lights, interior switch and wiring? Can these even fit into the executive bumper?

Sorry I got a bit carried away with the questions. Any comments/answers/tips/advice/disagreements/whatever welcome. Thanks guys!

**WhiteVS** · 04-11-2007, 03:43 PM

to answer some of your questions.

1. Im pretty sure the clear indicators are stock on VT's but you can buy these off ebay for a vs and they will fit. heres a link

CHEAPEST ON EBAY CLEAR Side Indicators VP VN VR VS VT - eBay VN, VP, VR, VS, Holden, Car Parts, Cars, Bikes Boats. (end time 04-Nov-07 18:55:15 AEDST)

3. Aftermarket head units work really well with stock speackers. get yourself a head unit from jb or something and either pay them to install it (less hasle), or try and install it yourself there are a few threads on here about installing head units.

6. Those Tail lights are illegal, im not sure why myself though. i have friends that have them and they have never been pulled over for them so....

hope this helps.

**=Calais v8=** · 04-11-2007, 04:09 PM

7. i photoshopped that same idea to my old car aaages ago. i'll see if i can find it. looked good.

8. they can fit into an exec bumper, but you need to cut it to fit the bezels in. just be aware that each foglight is around $120 EACH from Holden. do a search and you will find people that have done the foglight install themselves, and you will find more detailed information there.

EDIT: found the pic

**axemurderer101** · 04-11-2007, 07:43 PM

1.some vs's came with oval indicators but they only came out in orange, the clear oval ones are from the vt which easily fit into the vs, i bought mine from auto1.

4. the vs has 2 6inch in the parcel shelf and 1 6inch speaker in each front door, some of the higher models have a factory tweeter in top dash vent, you dont see one you dont have them.

8.i just did that mod to my car, you need to buy the foglight bezels from holden which are about $24 each and there are some clips you have to buy aswell. as for putting them in i jst made a template to mark out where to cut the hole in the bumper, and the foglights you can get a set from supercheap for about $30

**VS Omega** · 07-11-2007, 09:52 AM

Thanks guys

1. Some VTs have the orange ones, I think series 2 has clear ones.. will keep looking though!

2. -no one?-

3. That's going to be my plan, start with the head unit then work my way through, going to get 6" speakers for the rear, saves building a parcel shelf.. but wait a minute..

4. Is it 6" or 6.5" man? I looked around on eBay and they only have 6.5" speakers, does this mean the VS stock has a smaller size and it wouldn't just be a simple straight swap to some aftermarket ones?

5. -no one?-

6. Argh I was hoping I could have them somehow. Will look up tail light laws on vicroads and work out if I can modify or something.

7. Looks good on the photoshop but it's not going to be easy as the reflectors and the surround *appear* to be moulded to each other, could be wrong, and even more tricky is the bumper needs to come off as it covers the lights

8. Sounds tricky but I bet it's going to be worth it - going to continue pursuing this!

Thanks again all, great help

**GAMBLR** · 07-11-2007, 05:50 PM

1. correct. VS-VT series one was orange oval, VT series 2 to VX series 2 were clear. VY/VZ indicators and WK/WL statesman indicators will apparently NOT fit. not sure bout an astra tho

3. Stock speakers with an aftermarket head unit don't sound too bad. Look up "aerpro" wiring harnesses, which are connectors that go from the stock wiring plug to the new head unit. just done it in my VS, works a treat if ya don't get dodgy harnesses, saves cutting all ya wires and trying which one goes where, and ya can remove the headunit and replace the factory one in there if ya sell the car.

4. Two in parcel shelf, two in front doors, some models have them in each corner of the dash right up against the windscreen. look through the window on the outside, and you should see a yellowish speaker and silver dome under the dash grill. i think these are tweeters.

6. with the taillights mate, there was a thread going back a while ago regarding this, when they mentioned something about painting the reflector... try lookin it up. if you could cover the white reflector, red ones can be mounted on bumpers (VX exec, VY/Z Calais etc). i was gonna do it myself, but i was talked into gettin the altezzas. it is a legal requirement to have red reflectors on the rear and illegal to have white reflectors on the rear.

7. looks this good, i'm gonna try it myself, so thanks for the inspiration guys. my suggestion is a heat gun to melt the 'glue', but also remembering the reflector housing is plastic too... mate had an interesting thing happen when heating a garnish to dry the paint, long story. either that or try using a knike to cut into it, cut the old stuff off and silicone it back together. would try it on a spare tho, go see a wrecker and grab a spare light i reckon.
i don't think the bumper is hard to take off. try a search on here, see what ya get.

8. my guess is to tri to get hold of a VS SS or VS 2 Calais bumper and lights. make ya job a whole lot easier. as for wiring i have no idea

hope this helps mate

CC

**kopper69** · 07-11-2007, 06:01 PM

1) Available from holden - go and tell them what you want and they will know exactly and will more than likely have them in stock. Price at a guess is about $16 each. Maybe bit cheaper if you go to a wreakers. Just pop the old ones out and pop new ones in.

2) Windows would be a big job. I have seen aftermarket systems fitted, just with the front windows - no idea but im guessing if you saw the price you wouldnt be as keen. Wouldnt be a real easy job and wouldnt be cheap to pay to have it done. If you wanted stock you would need a new BCM and centre console, would only go for this option if you could get the parts cheap from a wreaker. Getting a new BCM would also mean new keys so its not a straightforward job.

3) Stock wiring is fine and will work with an aftermarket head unit

4)Two in parcel shelf and two in front doors (assuming you dont have a high series model because you dont have power windows. High series models have 6 speakers)

5) Easiest option is to get an aftermarket kit. The downside is that it will use a seperate remote with a single button to open the boot. Trying to get boot release on the holden key as far as Im aware would be extremly difficult.

6) Look crap IMO anyway.

7)Trying to get these headlights apart would be a big job. They are not designed to come apart and even if you did you risk water getting into them in the future. Wouldnt bother, you will have enough to worry about maintaining your car.

**1991_Vn2nV** · 07-11-2007, 06:35 PM

6.) The tail lights are illegal because they have no reflector but they are also not ADR approved. Whether you add the reflector or not, they will always be illegal afaik.

**Spaced** · 08-11-2007, 12:54 PM

2. I've seen a write up about this in the how to section. Was very detailed. Best thing to do is get switches, motors, new door cards etc and give it all to an auto elec to fit. That way if something goes wrong they have the tools to triangulate the problem.
How to install Power Windows

**Spaced** · 08-11-2007, 12:56 PM

Question 5 is probably best to PM doctor bob or put a question in his ask the holden tech thread in the pub.

**1991_Vn2nV** · 08-11-2007, 06:41 PM

5.) For the remote boot release just invest in an alarm with its own remote mate, most alarms have boot release on them.

**Grennan** · 08-11-2007, 06:56 PM

1. I have orange indicators in my guards but I'm not too fond of them at all, I've seen a few VR/VS's with clear ones so I guess they're a factory option/feature on higher-spec models. Anyways what I was wondering is did Holden use the same indicator fitting throughout different models? Obviously VZ/VE will not fit but how about the VT/VX/VY ones into a VS? I've even heard that the ones from a TS Astra will go straight on? I ask because if it's true then it will make it easier to get hold of a pair.

The ones commonly seen on lower model cars are from VT Series II and i think VX had them as well. You should be able to head to the wreckers and get a pair off any you see there, just yeah chuck them down your dacks or something.

2. I have no electric windows in my car and was considering getting it done just for the front windows as it should be cheaper and less work. Besides the motors, switches and wiring is there anything else which is needed (settings to the cars computer etc.)? Or would it be easier to just get two front doors that already have electric windows? Is this a fairly easy job or not something I should attempt myself?

I recommend just buying an electric window conversion kit, theres usually a couple in the for sale section on this forum, but the wreckers might also be worth a check as they sometimes put together kits of that sort. Theres probally a kit in the for sale section at the moment, just go look in there they will list all the parts you need.

3. Eventually I want to replace the whole audio system in the car (wiring, speakers, head unit, add an amp) but for now I can only do it one part at a time (funding being the issue lol). I remember with the older models that the factory speakers shared a negative (I think?) and therefore that wiring couldn't be used with an aftermarket headunit. I notice though that for the VS each speaker *appears* to have it's own positive and negative. Therefore I wonder is it possible to use the factory speakers and wiring with an aftermarket headunit? I have speaker wire, should I replace the wiring now with proper speaker cable or just do the proper cable when I get new speakers?

It is possible, i did it on my VR for about a week. Then got new fronts and eventually rears.

4. Another one about the audio system, this will sound ridiculous but I don't know how many speakers there are and where they are. I know there's two in the parcel shelf, I think there is one in each front door (not sure?) and I'm definately not sure if there's two speakers in the dash just under the windscreen or not?

2 Parcel Shelf, 2 Front door. I believe the calias and upper spec models had tweeters in the dash

8. I want to put some factory foglights in. Is this a big job and does anyone know what I'll need? I'm guessing inserts for the front bumper, the lights, interior switch and wiring? Can these even fit into the executive bumper?

Easy job. Find a set of foglight bezels commonly found on the SS. Once again i believe the upper spec models should have them also. Very rare find at a wreckers, your best bet would be going to holden and asking them. Just cut a whole the size of the bezel in the front bumper chuck it in and go buy the foggies and wiring.

**ashbox** · 09-11-2007, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by CruznCalais

1. correct. VS-VT series one was orange oval, VT series 2 to VX series 2 were clear. VY/VZ indicators and WK/WL statesman indicators will apparently NOT fit. not sure bout an astra tho

VY/Z will fit the vs. You just need to change the globe harness, put it on back to front and use some sellys stuff, can't remeber what but i know that its clear and water proof.

Stato ones i'm not too sure about although i have seen a vs going around with them.

Astra ones i have no idea they look the same as the vy/z.

**VS Omega** · 11-11-2007, 12:21 PM

Awesome, thanks guys!

1. Indicators - I'll just go VT/VX S2 clear indicators, seems the easiest option and just a straight swap, no glueing or cutting

2. Electric Windows - Will look into getting one of these kits eventually and take it to an auto elec.

3. Head Unit - is now installed, thanks for the help. Probably another silly question (bare with me please

) but how necessary is it to replace the wiring when I get new speakers? How much of an effect on the sound quality would it have? Or could I get away with the stock wiring? I'm not after the most expensive speakers, just some 6" 3 or 4 ways and then throwing in an sub and amp to run it

4. Speakers - Pretty sure my poor exec doesn't have those tweeters in the dash

5. Boot Release - Will just do what VN2NV said and grab an alarm with remote boot release

6. Tail lights - Tragic about the lack of ADR approval, guess it's going to be those black altezza ones

I like the stock ones that have the clear indicator, but wanted a bit of distinction

7. Headlights - Will get some used VR/VS headlights and play around with them, so even if they break it won't be too much of a big deal

8. Foglights - Couldn't I just get the SS front bumper as it already has the foglights in it? Would that bolt straight up? Might be a lot easier than cutting up the bumper

Again, thanks heaps everyone for your patience!

**TheForgotten** · 11-11-2007, 01:22 PM