VR or VS?

[rex2229]

Hi i'm a long time listener first time poster, I'm currently deciding whether to get a VR or VS commodore wagon, I know that VS ecotec engines apparently use less fuel than VR's, according to Fuel Consumption its 0.5 of a litre, is that true? I know that the body of the cars didnt change much except the front grill got a silver insert on the VS and apparently VR's are slightly quicker than VS's is that correct?

Any info on their pro's and con's are appreciated

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

Get a VS mate! Newer/better engine than the VR!

[h0Ld3n`VN]

if i were to choose i would pick the vr.. ecotecs are gay, no offence guys

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

if i were to choose i would pick the vr.. ecotecs are gay, no offence guys

based on a realistic look the ecotec is far better motor, they are newer more refined and not as grainy as the VR 6!

[Berlinarator]

There are a lot of pro's and con's for either model, and I think it really comes down to what you prefer.

I owned a VS for 2 years, sold it 1 year ago, and I'm about to buy a VR on the weekend.

The VS was great, the engines are generally smoother than the VR's. As far as fuel economy and power goes, it really depends on the car itself (being between 14 - 16 years old for a VR, and 12 - 14 years old for a VS). When you're looking at a car of that age, it's more important to check out the service history etc. because they would have varied from the factory specifications depending on how they've been originally run-in, maintained and driven.

My VS used to get insane fuel economy, up to 850km to a 59L tank (sedan) on the highway, though around town it was rather ordinary at 400km per tank - and it had a complete service history. I've known at least one other VS which has achieved similar figures too. Unfortunately, the I haven't heard of a VR getting much more than 600km on the highway (off a standard 59L tank) and no mods.

Then you've got to consider factors like exhausts etc. which can alter the fuel/power figures.

I'm only going with a VR because in my experiences, you have less trouble with them. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who will say otherwise, just my two bobs worth.

[dbarnes]

Why are ecotecs "gay"? ....
Find either a VR or VS that has been looked after and it shouldn't really matter which model the car is, they go forever if looked after...but as said the VS do have a refined engine and gearbox because they're newer so its a smoother car, but newer isn't always better if its a car that hasn't been serviced etc especially with how old both models are...if it was me I would choose a VS, but if a clean VR came along for the right price by all means don't look away from it

[greenacc]

go the VS, the silver badges look better. Engine bay is much better organised too.

[stocky]

based on a realistic look the ecotec is far better motor, they are newer more refined and not as grainy as the VR 6!

ecotecs like to light on fire too. nothing wrong with the VR. it just means holden has had 2 earlier models to sort out all the buick issues

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

ecotecs like to light on fire too

Elaborate?

[vs-6]

all depends on how its been looked after, motors are bugger all if they stuff up its 900 drive in drive out for a second hand job.
id be looking for a car with clean paint and decent interior u may find one lowered with rims as well as this stuff cost a fair bit later on if thats wat u wanna do

[OzJD]

I prefer the grunt in the VR, I think the VS's feel a little like an old ladies car (smooth as)... but it all really comes down to personal opinion.

[VS Omega]

People who own a VR will always tell you to get a VR and that VS's are crap, don't go hard etc.

Realistically if you want to say your car has the same engine as a 80s VN then get a VR, if you want to be able to say your car has the same engine as a 2003 VY then get the VS

[OzJD]

and if you want an alloytech? :P (Sorry, Had to)

[lil_apprentice]

looking at changing all the interior, seats, paneling etc etc in my 94 vr.
just wondering what will pretty much just fit in there like calais or whatever
vr or vs not sure any help would be great as first time user
cheers

[Surfwagon]

I prefer the grunt in the VR, I think the VS's feel a little like an old ladies car (smooth as)... but it all really comes down to personal opinion.

The main reason VN-VR's feel more grunty is beacause Holden softened the way the ThrottleBody works in the VS to make the off idle transition smoother (they engineered a lump into the front of the TB).
If you fit a 68/69mm bored out TB you get that instant off idle jump back.
Ecotecs (stock) are better up in the rev range than the Buick.

Now to interiors, VS Acclaim and Berlina wagon's have a 60/40 rear seat with headrests and the Berlina also has an armrest.
If you want drivers airbag protection this was an option on VR's (Acclaim std) but was std drivers on whole VS range.
Otherwise Auto's, suspension and diffs are the same.

SW

[dbarnes]

If you want drivers airbag protection this was an option on VR's (Acclaim std) but was std drivers on whole VS range.

SW

Nah was only standard on acclaim, berlina, calais and statesman. All the other models like executive, equipe, vacationer etc had the option pretty sure.

[ScoHar]

Nah was only standard on acclaim, berlina, calais and statesman. All the other models like executive, equipe, vacationer etc had the option pretty sure.

Don't forget ABS or to not ABS, i.e. I don't think you can get a VS without, but you can get a VR without ABS.

[Haydz]

ive been in both.

its all up to what you find.. the ecotecs make more power and are now becoming cheaper and you will find alot more aftermarket support. as its getting to the stage where you have to get a buick rebuilt to get a good one.

[Haydz]

also irs.

depending on the model..

if your going to lower it significantly id stick with a solid diff as you wont have to worry about camber wear etc.

[-=ApheX=-]

ecotecs like to light on fire too. nothing wrong with the VR. it just means holden has had 2 earlier models to sort out all the buick issues

I would also like to know what you are reffering too?
see a common flaw with both buick and ecotec engines is the alternator insulator becomming brittle and decaying to the point the "back to battery cable" sparks with the alternator housing causing no charge being sent back to your battery, the actual cable decaying and causing a fire in a case of shorting out, and / or melting the plastic to catch a light...

VR and VS engines nowa days have no real difference, if you buy a stock of either one, is in no way better than the other... previous maintenance by previous owners is also a major factor to how each different engine is going to perform...
note that the VR is slightly older than the VS ecotec depending on the years of manufacture between models being compared there for it'd make sense to buy the slightly newer engine as there'd be less chances of immediate failure, or major servicing to get back any performance loss...
Now as far as which is faster or better, well stock for stock, there's no comparable difference, not by even by a bee's d1ck noticable... so it's something to take into consideration...
Buy a stock VR or VS if your going to buy anything, as they probably havn't been thrashed, they would have had been serviced enough through it's life. And this gives you a clean slate on to which you can add your performance mods too, to bring up to spec!
to conclude either is a winner, and either will be fine i'm sure!!!
Good luck with it...