Replaceing Cutch -- Need Help Please!

[social]

Ok guys heres the facts.
I own a 1994 V6 VR 5spd. Now clutch wasnt going so well so i went out and bought an XTREME H / D Kit. It contained the pressure plate, spigot bearing, thrust bearing and clutch plate. Now this is all good until i dissembled the transmission to find that, my VR has a VS crank in it seeing as the spigot bearing on it was different. Now i did a little research to see what came up on the XTREME website, but im not sure whether the clutch plate / pressure plate will be sufficient for my vr seeing as the VS crank are there etc. The VS Kit that is available is to suit a Getrag Trans whereas my VR is a borgwarner T5.

More Basically;
VR should have: VR crank + Borgwarner Trans + spiggot bearing that is only cylindric no stepups + clutch plate + pressure plate

VS should have: VS crank + Getrag trans + spiggot bearing with stepdown + clutch plate + pressure plate

MY CAR: Has a VS Crank + Borgwarner trans + spiggot with stepdown + clutch plate + pressure plate

Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks in advance.

[hako]

The Gregorys manual says the series 1 VS had the BW trans and series 2 VS had the Getrag. So, going on that you could presume that the series 1 VS with the BW box is basically identical to the VR.
Sorry thats all the help I can give.
Good Luck.

[GTP 85]

What is exactly wrong? i take it the spigot bush wont fit?

All of the spigot bushes to suit the T5 will be the same for all v6's ecotec and buick.

i ordered my clutch kit online, and i didnt even tell them it was for a T5 behind an ecotec... i just said i need a spigot bush to suit T5

Are you aware that they are a force fit into the crank?

Also, the spigot you are putting in should look like the one you take out. Are they the same?

[social]

the spigot i took out wasnt the same as the one one i got with the kit. it was to suit a vr crank whereas my vr has a vs crank for some reason, either way, we put on the spigot i alredy had along with the new pressure plate and clutch and it still runs the same. i dont udnerstand, its not the pressure plate, spigot, clutch plate, pedal or cable.. wtf is it?

[social]

anyone able to help?

[delcowizzid]

what was wrong with it before you changed it slipping heavy to push etc

[social]

extremely heavy, and i think it was a stock clutch too, ive now put in a heavy duty and ive had previous manuals (vn's) so i know what the clutch on a borgwarner connected to a buick engine should be like... its really bad and jst had a drive then and the pedal was very sticky

[delcowizzid]

did you check the pivot height when you were in there.and give the clutch fork a good look at.thrust bearing could be getting pulled into the slide making it hard .cable free moving when not connected

[social]

tbh no i didnt really look, my mate who had the experience with it kept his eye on everything, did a dam good job imo, but i cleaned out the bellhouseing, rmeoved tailshaft manifolds helpd with gearbox etc and he lined up the plates with the proper tool and everything, just cant pinpoint the full problem, the removed clutch and pressure plates were of average use, they werent like entirely rooted to the max at all. So im pretty dumbfounded, what do you do when you cant find a fault?

[delcowizzid]

haha it has to be something in the throwout mechanism pedal pivot, cable,clutch fork or pivot point or thrust bearing catching on the gearbox seal cover most heavy duty clutches nowdays are soft to push like a stocker.do you have a bit of free play before the pedal starts pulling the clutch does it disenguage close to the floor like normal

[social]

umm well if its any play at all its very minimal before the push to engage the clutch and its just...really solid.. what options to check are there without haveing to remove the houseing / gearbox?

[delcowizzid]

if the cables moving free ide be thinking maybe the fork pivot set wrong.does it have an inspection cover that you can get into the bellhousing to adjust the pivot or is it a full round bellhousing with a flat plate covering the flywheel.

[Chirpstr]

You will need a VR spigot bush.
I was in the same shoes as you and got sent the wrong one and had to go to Holden and get a VR one. The one I got was a bearing one and not just a brass sleeve that I needed. If I find the part number I'll let you know.

[social]

i just used the one that came out of the car already so it wasnt any trouble..

[Chirpstr]

i just used the one that came out of the car already so it wasnt any trouble..

Yeah that's too easy then!
Good Luck Bud.

[social]

thanks man, shes still a bit wierd but i guess its just the car i spose. Hey if you have a clutch plate that isnt to badly worn, can you sell them 2nd hand?

[Chirpstr]

Yeah I'm sure someone will buy it. eBay or JC is your Friend!

[social]

ohk well wasnt sure lol, and is there any specific way to tell if it was heavy duty or..like.. standard? and what price to i put up lol

[Chirpstr]

Um not too sure on that one...Cushion springs would be thicker? Plate would be slightly thicker?

[social]

yup i can remember that the springs were thicker on the one i put in the car, il just chuck the plate up for like $50 on sale section i recont thats fair

[hako]

If the cable is still the original one its probably starting to fray internally which makes the clutch feel awfully stiff. Also double check the pedal pedal height - if incorrect you can end up dishing the pressure plate. Also spray heaps of lubricant up around the clutch pedal pivot point.

[social]

all that has been taken into account and no effect was given after adjusting / fixing etc it

[GTP 85]

just skimmed thru your thread again... did u fit a HD clutch kit?

The cable clutches will be a bit stiff anyway, but if you find the pedal actually gets stuck.. then it has to be either the thrust bearing sticking or the cable rooted.

next time i see you i'll check it out. I'll show you a heavy pedal.. my car lol