Keys for vt's

[codeunknown]

Hi all...
I am new to this site...i do have another holden to vt..its barina...

I would like to give some recent updated info on keys and vt's.

Firstly... I have read some of the old posts on keys..but some of info is out of date or not true.

My story goes like this...
I had a dead battery in the security key unit.
I had a dead battery in the car
The car been standing with a dead engine long enough to have run out of rego..
I could not find my latest version of my rego papers or any..
I had just my plate on the screen to go by and plates.
I had purchased the car from a boyfriend of my daughter who signed a little note way back
---and at the time could not find it at first.
There was no written record of the codes in the car..except for the radio code written on the radio user guide.
I could not find the codes listed on the magic card given to owners..because the card was never given over to the boyfriend..i never got it.
So...for id and all things considered I recon this is the worse case story starting point..for fixing.

I went to the site (holden.com.au... one) holden australia ...and if you look carefully you see links to owners info...then click it and sellect contact us...you see on the left radio/security code
There is in written form what you need to do and have.

I went in ...in person with my question for holden dealer aimed with my viniso /id of who i was / rego sticker and rego plates / and explained i had a car that was not driveable...
that would cost me a arm and leg to tow in and out just for a holden dealer to do a reading off his machine for my key code of the car and by the way no battery.

He gave me all the codes for free..........all the codes one needs for the car that are written on the card owners get with the car...and here is a big hint write them down elsewhere that you have access to...
radio code
security code
your ignition key id
your glovebox key id
your key id

You can be charged a nominal fee for this...however holden does give employees the the power to weigh up SERVICE and ASSISTANCE..over dollars and cents.
And yes its who you score and how you treat them...on the day..

The system access they use is called ""lionheart"" intranet access for all dealers.
In fact they only really need the last 6 digits of vin to get the info..

your key code for the main key ..will be either 6 digit or 5 digit number....no letters...

Now Holden dealer also put me on to alocal ket maker Mr M and here is info on keys...
If you have a battery working key already..it can be cloned in 1 minute and copy key made
in 2 mins....and if you hold racq or equal membership will get 10% off..bingo !

if you got a flattened one you have to start from scratch..however you get a spare key..the units internals is wasted...

if you just have holes or damage to the key buttons..on ebay and web are places that make replacement silicone ones for $15---30 a set for either 2 button or 3 button remotes.

Now once you get your new key made..you will find your 5 digit number is now a 6 digit one! ..why more codes better security !
Mr M i think also keep a record..just in case.
But you get yours written down on paper with instructions.

Here is the instructions...you do this so the sytem is paired ..just like you pair bluetooth
code is your key..and code is in your car....your just pairing it..meaning tell each they are there...
Open the car with old key ....sit inside...shut door...lock car....manually...place key in lock
and run engine for 1 minute.....turn off......unlock car manually....try key on boot ...or lock...if its paired its good to go !

Now i told you i never had a going car...dead engine...so i turned on key for 60 secs...
and said broom broom for 1 min...instead..and it worked..
the key opens boot and locks and unlock car...
So now i left with a dead engine...

Now these are all facts...i just done it personally..it cost me $101....

I hope this sorts out any questions on keys and codes....and vt's

Many thanks

Codeunknown

[11gothevt11]

Hi all...
I am new to this site...i do have another holden to vt..its barina...

I would like to give some recent updated info on keys and vt's.

Firstly... I have read some of the old posts on keys..but some of info is out of date or not true.

My story goes like this...
I had a dead battery in the security key unit.
I had a dead battery in the car
The car been standing with a dead engine long enough to have run out of rego..
I could not find my latest version of my rego papers or any..
I had just my plate on the screen to go by and plates.
I had purchased the car from a boyfriend of my daughter who signed a little note way back
---and at the time could not find it at first.
There was no written record of the codes in the car..except for the radio code written on the radio user guide.
I could not find the codes listed on the magic card given to owners..because the card was never given over to the boyfriend..i never got it.
So...for id and all things considered I recon this is the worse case story starting point..for fixing.

I went to the site (holden.com.au... one) holden australia ...and if you look carefully you see links to owners info...then click it and sellect contact us...you see on the left radio/security code
There is in written form what you need to do and have.

I went in ...in person with my question for holden dealer aimed with my viniso /id of who i was / rego sticker and rego plates / and explained i had a car that was not driveable...
that would cost me a arm and leg to tow in and out just for a holden dealer to do a reading off his machine for my key code of the car and by the way no battery.

He gave me all the codes for free..........all the codes one needs for the car that are written on the card owners get with the car...and here is a big hint write them down elsewhere that you have access to...
radio code
security code
your ignition key id
your glovebox key id
your key id

You can be charged a nominal fee for this...however holden does give employees the the power to weigh up SERVICE and ASSISTANCE..over dollars and cents.
And yes its who you score and how you treat them...on the day..

The system access they use is called ""lionheart"" intranet access for all dealers.
In fact they only really need the last 6 digits of vin to get the info..

your key code for the main key ..will be either 6 digit or 5 digit number....no letters...

Now Holden dealer also put me on to alocal ket maker Mr M and here is info on keys...
If you have a battery working key already..it can be cloned in 1 minute and copy key made
in 2 mins....and if you hold racq or equal membership will get 10% off..bingo !

if you got a flattened one you have to start from scratch..however you get a spare key..the units internals is wasted...

if you just have holes or damage to the key buttons..on ebay and web are places that make replacement silicone ones for $15---30 a set for either 2 button or 3 button remotes.

Now once you get your new key made..you will find your 5 digit number is now a 6 digit one! ..why more codes better security !
Mr M i think also keep a record..just in case.
But you get yours written down on paper with instructions.

Here is the instructions...you do this so the sytem is paired ..just like you pair bluetooth
code is your key..and code is in your car....your just pairing it..meaning tell each they are there...
Open the car with old key ....sit inside...shut door...lock car....manually...place key in lock
and run engine for 1 minute.....turn off......unlock car manually....try key on boot ...or lock...if its paired its good to go !

Now i told you i never had a going car...dead engine...so i turned on key for 60 secs...
and said broom broom for 1 min...instead..and it worked..
the key opens boot and locks and unlock car...
So now i left with a dead engine...

Now these are all facts...i just done it personally..it cost me $101....

I hope this sorts out any questions on keys and codes....and vt's

Many thanks

Codeunknown

Thankyou for the info next time my car won't start i will say broom broom for one minute then car sould start
Thankyou

[codeunknown]

hey ..if it works for ya..your welcome

[showbags]

mister minit will charge you $110 for new key, cutting and coding. and they can even retrieve a code from dead keys

[codeunknown]

you may wish to check on reteive..there is limits ..it can only be done with a active battery..if the battery is flat.or failing and wont trigger a signal...or even if you try and replace the battery its a no good...
the unit must be able to triggered and so must have some volts left to provide this..
so if its not working unlocking and locking and not opening the boot.....get to mr M soon...cause it may be already too late...when you notice the range reducing or it sometimes dont work first time..go get a clone done

[Mick1988]

Thanks mate. Might try this to program another key to my car. Don't like the idea of only having one key with how much I deadbolt the doors (meaning they can only be opened with the remote)

[wortus]

One of my friends owns a local Mr Minit and I asked him about my key. He said the battery is just to work the remote central locking and the key will start the car with a flat battery as that part of the key gets power from the car via the ignition switch.

[codeunknown]

true...and lets factory in this as well...
the key is connected to one side of the battery and small little silver looking lump on the front of them all is the earth for key...thus completeing the current.
if you have a issue with the rubber buttons or you had the case split...and some dont get glued right from the start and you will notice there is a seal in side the unit in both halves...if this has ever been broken....its prob picked up water and dirt along the way...
once this happens....water dust dirt etc...the tiny motherboard and parts of it will start to rust.
if the rust starts at the key part..it can do this under the key and the end that goes into the remote housing..under one side is a contact which links the key to the motherboard extra flexing of the key or warpage or rust will stop this contact from working..
the little silver bumb end..can suffer the same deal....loose..or rust or dirt breaking its contact

Now i not done it because i believed the guy ..that a dead battery in a remote made a remote useless...because as it died it lost its saved data ...the code!

When i get a chance i try and replace the battery and see if that is true !

Or you could ask that mate of yours at mr m if they have ever tried doing the battery in the remote ..they may like to sell a $100 item over a $5...Who knows?

In any case there fix is cheaper than a dealer fix...

[wortus]

A friend of mine has pulled his key apart and either replaced the battery or resoldered it to the board as the connection does crack. He just superglued the key back together. I've got 2 keys so when one of mine breaks I wil try that first.
The little silver thing coming out of the front of the key is the connection so it can talk to the BCM so the car can start. The actual key tank is the antena for the remote.

[minitsbay]

mr minit will not replace the batteries in the remotes places like battery world have been doing then for about $20 or $30

keyman is currently doing commodore keys cut/programmed for $80 to $90 mark

[Warface]

which is better Keyman or Mr Mint? for the VT

[minitsbay]

both the same mate
mr minit use genuine holden fob cut and coded on vt will be $110.00 without any discounts

keyman use genuine holden fob cut and coded on vt for $90.00 (the $90.00 price tag offered by keyman is based in stores they have in the same shopping centres in direct competition with mr minit so im not 100% if they offer the $90.00 price tag if they are the only key cutting/supplier in a certain centre area

but at the end of the day neither are better then the other both of us take the same time 5 to 10 mins depending how busy the store is at the time

[Riley]

some of you might want to look here too

ignition stuck

[codeunknown]

so your saying...that a dead battery in a remote...can be fixed?
and that all it needs is a new battery only to get it reworking ?

or are you saying get a battery and get it reprogrammed again...

lets be clear on this...
dead battery remotes are or are not fixable and reuseable ?
thats the big question ?
because we gone over the rest...
1) replacement key
2) replacement buttons
3) replacement remote case
4) clone remote programming
5) programming a remote with the known code...

thanks

[showbags]

now, codeunknown-when i said dead key i meant dead key. mine spent 3 days on the bottom of a spa with 32 degree water! doesn't get much deader than that. mister minute was still able to retreive the code. now my understanding is that all security codes are stored in the BCM. they only code the key to communicate with the BCM. hence the special proceedure when you first use the key.

[codeunknown]

well that is strange....my qld mr minute....said to me...with my deader than dead key..as a result of loosing it in the bush with the none of buttons covered with a rubber or silicon button...and a battery dead as ...and the terminal onn one end of battery that goes to the motherboard cracked and not attached..
Quote "" this things pritty well past its use by date"""" What happened to this key"" ( and i explained) Well i can not read the code off it, cause there no battery life and broken terminal"" ( i said well if i go get a battery and fit it and repair it could you do it then..) ""No mate ...your gonna need a working key with battery life in it to clone...or the codes from holden or from your holden card you got with the car"" I said so its a waste of time replacing the battery and trying that first....""he said yes ..a complete waste of time...it be lost off the key now""

So...hence why i said in this post...i will try the dead key ..with the issues...with a new battery and fix the terminal to find out ...which version of that is true...
What your saving to me...is you think it is...
but your not sure....
mr m read yours with a dead battery and broken terminal and had been soaked in water and dirt and mud for month like mine?

Did mr M remove ..desolder your key battery and place in a new one...?
Because mr m did not and was not able to for me ...

Did mr m fix any repairs to the unit?
Mr M did not for me

Did mr m clean out you unit...?
I had already cleaneds and dried my unit out and preped it for replacement buttons

Did your mr m take your dead key to the testing reading unit they have and get a code reading from the transponder...the key unit to reprogram the new one...
Without doing all of the above ...NO WAY!
and your post makes no mention of any of that...
It just says you had deader than dead...and suddenly wham..it was fixed.
I telling you if that so...
IF...
Qld Mr M's dont offer that full service here in Bundaberg qld

You are corect 100% that the BCM has a permanent keep of the code..
hence why its recorded by holden on the lionheart system and owners have a card with it..and all holden dealer workshops have a bcm reader to check it..
to make sure both key and bcm are in sync....

Its important here ..that if all mr m ..dont supply the same service members are aware of the difference...
So..if a member kills the key....
He can do fixing before he takes the key to mr m...(battery replacement and unit clean and dry) ( even button replacement or shell swap)...leaving mr m with the code job only for clones !
And if you want to clone from dead and you plan on keeping the old unit cuase it looks in bad rust condition..you can boggy it up for cloning...only!

Of course if you live in melbourne or sydney ther mr m seem to be more able to provide service...
Some people might be put off to have to rip apart the plastic key case...its not real easy...if you want to reuse it...you need a sharp knife and some small flat screw drivers...
you can wash the unit with a can of spray on motherboard cleaner ...computer board cleaner from dick smiths...jaycar....alltronics....etc....etc..
bye your battery in there or visit battery world and ask for battery with fly leads on ..if you dont have the gear or know how to solder on to the battery pig wires ...
then reattach..

As i said earlier...i will try and revamp my one ..with a battery when i get the chance...its not high on my list...i working on the dead engine...stuck engine...and as soon as i tried it ...and know ....i add to the post

But thats top others for there great input...because what its shown is dont expect the same service and deal all over aussie...And we now know there is many things we can fix on the keys cheap...

Thanks

[showbags]

jeez what a long and drawn out response to what i thought was a fairly simple fix. ever seen what 32 degree salt water does to circuit boards and electronic components? not pretty. took my dead key to my local mr minit, still dripping water and he said no probs, seen worse. told me to come back in five minutes and key was ready. handed over my $110 and he handed me a new key and my old key (unopened by the way) and a set of instuctions for when i got home.all sorted. maybe you should give you local mr minit the flick and try mailorder to one of the southern states?

[codeunknown]

well your have supported one of my points,,,we could have a dud mr m man..
you also dont really know what your mr m did..cause you left it with him...but in the end you got a working key...and that what we all want...
And i would say your mr m is a GOD!
thanks for your replys

[Super_Low 91]

well your have supported one of my points,,,we could have a dud mr m man..
you also dont really know what your mr m did..cause you left it with him...but in the end you got a working key...and that what we all want...
And i would say your mr m is a GOD!
thanks for your replys

Us guys at Mr Minit are trained well.. i work up North in the Mackay store

[codeunknown]

well shane ...whats your take on it...can a battery be replaced and the unit work...yes or no...
and can a unit be read for cloning without a working going battery ..yes or no...

[Super_Low 91]

Yes for you can open them an replace the battery, but i do not recommend it if possible.

There is the risk you could kill the circuit trying to solder to it. An the normal batteries you buy for watches remotes an such do have a slightly different voltage not much but a lil difference.
Also the remote head is a sealed unit for a reason to stop moisture dirt dust an the likes getting into it an corroding the circuit,

An there are ways to get a read outta the key if its got a dead battery but doesn always work its a 50/50 chance it will.

If you do get stuck an the battery has died in the key an you have no other way to get another key there are ways around it.

If in the event all keys are lost or damaged beyond repair either in the service manual or a visit to Holden with your rego paper an sometimes they charge you sometimes they don they will issue you with a piece of paper that has all the info on it that Mr Minit need to program a key,

Hope it makes sense

[codeunknown]

thanks...shane...
the 50 /50 chance tells all

i hope this post now helps those to understand....the how's where's and why's
or remote keys for your holden...
cloning
repairing

thanks all

[showbags]

i guess i was one of the lucky 50%. good for me.

[jen]

you say the code is 5 to 6 digits long is there a possibility that could be 4 digits as i have a random 4 digit number in my owners manual near the car details.

[graham7773]

jen that's probably your radio code. My 4 digit radio code was in the owners book but no key code anywhere