New Camber Kit

[adz_1983]

Hi guys,

I recently learnt that the camber on my tyres (VX SS Series II) are majorly scrubbing out the insides of my tyres, both front and back (the car was slammed when i bought it), so I was up for 4 brand new tyres last week. Now I've got to get a camber kit and I've heard that Kmac are the best, have done a bit of search on here to learn a bit, but have noticed another kit that is much cheaper and seems to do the same job (though probably not as much adjustment as the kmac).
I think i should spend the extra on the kmac but just needed someone to tell me I'm doing the right thing....?
I've also read about the issue with putting a camber kit on the outers and the cheaper ones are the inners only. Do i really need the whole Kmac kit if i'm only going to use the inners from it?

any info i could get would be much appreciated!

[adz_1983]

also my mecho was saying that if i lift my arse end a bit then it will help the rears, he was saying an inch or so, do i need complete new springs etc to just lift it a tiny bit?

[carra909]

yeah im in the same boat as you, new tires last week coz my rears lasted 15k.

when u got ur tires fitted did u get an alignment? and if so did u keep the print out that will tell you how much camber you actual have.
if its only a small amount then you may only need one set.

ive also been shopping around and was thinking of just getting the super pro kit because i have fe2's but the gas tank is weight it all down causing the camber

[NVMYVT]

hey guys, i haven't done it yet, but i'm seriously considering replacing the irs setup to the vy irs, it supossedly removes the vast majority of the camber issues and still allows you to keep the desired ride hieght

there should be a number of threads on this mod on the forum so do a search and read up about it

[stocky]

Does a series 2 VX need a camber kit? I thought they had some kind of revised rear end setup

[NVMYVT]

yeah i think the series 2 came with the same setup as the vy does stocky

then again it would all depend on how low, your desired height is (i know its a backflip to my last post) once you go past a certain height it is going to change something somewhere

[adz_1983]

yeah they upgraded them, put in an adjusment for the toe, which is maxed out and doin f'all. =(

[doowy]

Im not sure about Vx but i fitted a four point camber kit to my vt with the offset pins and bushes. It took me about 6 hours in my shed at home and not easy. However once i got it setup right it fixed my problem . Although my car still has fair camber i found out too much toe in was my problem.
Hope this helps

[K-Man]

G'Day

I have a VX SS series 1, and had a Kmac camber kit installed and a wheel alignment done when I had it lowered. As above i thought the series 2 fixed rear tyre wear, however If you later learn a camber kit is required, the Kmac has not given me any problems after 15,000kms and the rears are still in good nick and wearing evenly.

Cheres

[carra909]

ok so vx s2 and vy only have a shitty little toe rod strapped on by holden after they finally realized after generations of cars with the irs that it just wasnt cutting it.
you may (some don't, depending on how low you are) need a 2pt camber kit. (4pt is for toe and camber). its all up to you what you do, not sure if you have seen how hard it will be to do the conversion but its isnt relay something for a novice back yard mechanic should attempt (not saying its impossible) and is costly to get pay some one to do it.

a 4pt kit and regular rotation of the tires will help dramatically, but driving style helps greatly also.

just ring around to some specialist and get prices and make your own mind up on what is best

[adz_1983]

not sure if you have seen how hard it will be to do the conversion but its isnt relay something for a novice back yard mechanic should attempt (not saying its impossible) and is costly to get pay some one to do it.

Don't worry there is NO WAY IN HELL i would ever let myself do work on my car, I have no idea especially when it comes to suspension / tyres / etc. My only speciallity is interiors and audio, and I'm going to stick to just that =) Much prefer to pay someone who knows what they're doing!

[jazza15]

For those interested in the VY IRS conversion, there is a thread on it here: VY irs into a VT
Basically, with this you would go a 2 point camber kit as well if keeping your existing control arms. a 4 point kit with the toe adjuster is an overkill as you would have 2 adjustments for toe which is completely un necessary.
I'm still trying to sell a spare conversion kit for anyone else who is keen to have it done. (see signature) I think it is very worthwhile.

[ruggj]

For those interested in the VY IRS conversion, there is a thread on it here: VY irs into a VT
Basically, with this you would go a 2 point camber kit as well if keeping your existing control arms. a 4 point kit with the toe adjuster is an overkill as you would have 2 adjustments for toe which is completely un necessary.
I'm still trying to sell a spare conversion kit for anyone else who is keen to have it done. (see signature) I think it is very worthwhile.

i have kings SSLs in the rear, did exactly this, i bought a VY irs setup, put it into my car, the camber was still out a bit, went to a suspension shop and he straightened it right up for me

[vxcalais_01]

yeah they upgraded them, put in an adjusment for the toe, which is maxed out and doin f'all. =(

You must have only fit a 2 point. I fitted a 4 point camber kit noltec. Once i got it fitted and alligned 3 years ago, i dont think anyone has touched the rear yet during allignment, saying its already set. Thats after 70,000k's as well. The fronts always need doing. THe tyres are wearing even as well, no more scrubbing. Pedders will only fit a 2 point kit as that is all they have. Where are you located ?

[adz_1983]

You must have only fit a 2 point. I fitted a 4 point camber kit noltec. Once i got it fitted and alligned 3 years ago, i dont think anyone has touched the rear yet during allignment, saying its already set. Thats after 70,000k's as well. The fronts always need doing. THe tyres are wearing even as well, no more scrubbing. Pedders will only fit a 2 point kit as that is all they have. Where are you located ?

Down in Morwell, Gippsland.
Yes i only have the stock 2 point tow adjust, i'm definately getting the k-mac, can't wait to get a bit more traction too, bet not many people with SS's say that lol

[v6vt]

i have kings SSLs in the rear, did exactly this, i bought a VY irs setup, put it into my car, the camber was still out a bit, went to a suspension shop and he straightened it right up for me

hey ruggj how much camber did yours have before the vy irs conversion? i have ultra lows and the rears have about 4degrees negative camber each side. no adjusting bushes as yet, my wheel alignment man said get the four point kit and we will see what that does.

[ruggj]

hey ruggj how much camber did yours have before the vy irs conversion? i have ultra lows and the rears have about 4degrees negative camber each side. no adjusting bushes as yet, my wheel alignment man said get the four point kit and we will see what that does.

I never checked before the vy conversion, but after it was at 2 degrees, the guy adjusted it to 1 cos thats what he said it should be at. Only difference i've noticed is that it felt more like my tires were hugging the ground when my camber was off, now it feels like it wouldn't grip as well, not like that matters really cos day to day driving i'd never need it but it was a good feeling taking corners a little faster than i should and gripping the whole way compared to what it is now.

[v6vt]

ok i might try the adjusting bushes before i go dumping the arse end of my car out
thanks for input

jake

[don0xer]

some of the camber kits out there (including kmac) use a twin bolt through the guts of the bush. this over time can loosen up and let go. when i got mine done i had a single bolt put thru it as i was told they are 'pedders style' cant tell u which brand i have but i know the shop used alot of superpro kits =]

[TMM]

Does a series 2 VX need a camber kit? I thought they had some kind of revised rear end setup

VX2 has the revised setup yes. Just because you have the revised setup doesn't mean you won't need a camber kit. The VX2/VY/VZ setup just has less toe/camber when you lower. If you slam it you'll still need a camber kit, it just won't be as bad as a VT/VX1.

[v6vt]

some of the camber kits out there (including kmac) use a twin bolt through the guts of the bush. this over time can loosen up and let go. when i got mine done i had a single bolt put thru it as i was told they are 'pedders style' cant tell u which brand i have but i know the shop used alot of superpro kits =]

yeah ive used nolathane kits in other cars that have twin bolts and come loose, one was missing altogether, rubbish design

[jazza15]

VX2 has the revised setup yes. Just because you have the revised setup doesn't mean you won't need a camber kit. The VX2/VY/VZ setup just has less toe/camber when you lower. If you slam it you'll still need a camber kit, it just won't be as bad as a VT/VX1.

That's right on the money there.
This post will help answer so many suspension threads on this forum, or at least get people thinking about aspects other than just ride height!

[Maci]

nolathane single bolt 2 point camber kits are what i've been told are the way to go, particularly with the idea of the 4 point bolts coming loose :O