full keyless button start ignition
i've been thinking how i can change the ignition on my VT from the ignition barrel to a full push button, ive done it twice with my suzuki sierra 4x4's but the VT is a whole different setup, so its not that easy. Now i know the key is required to connect with the barrel to start the car but i was thinking what if it is possible to remove the chip out of the keyhead and permenantly wire it up to the ignition barrel behind the steering wheel? Then all you'd need is to figure out the barrel wires to connect to a push button yeah? though it would be ideal to still need the key to unlock the car/immobilser or maybe a kill switch? to start the car so thieves cant just bust the window and push the button and away they go if you know what i mean...
what are the obsticals in achieving this? has anyone done this before, maybe differently? i was thinking of the push button from an XR5 turbo Focus - driven heaps of em when i was a driver at port of brisbane and the push button setup was great!! and i like the button lol
im pretty set on having a full button start but i dont want it to be so easy to steal...
thoughts?
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so one button to turn on ignition, the push again to start, then push again to stop?
or flick a switch for ignition, then push button to start, then flick off switch to stop car?
you will still need to use the key to disable the steering lock, which must be functional for rego.
so one button to turn on ignition, the push again to start, then push again to stop?
or flick a switch for ignition, then push button to start, then flick off switch to stop car?
you will still need to use the key to disable the steering lock, which must be functional for rego.
good thinking!!
- i like the idea of push on to start the car and push off to stop
- as for accessories maybe a 2nd button with the same sequence as above, push on push off for when you need it? like playing music without starting the car?
- steering lock is a tough one..my car is registered so i could just remove it? though as i said i would prefer to keep the car safe from thieves..
- i also want to keep the button looking as factory as possible, placement somewhere on the dash or near the gearstick ect.
- what about a small keypad to put in a 4digit code before starting the car?
what cha think?
If a guy is looking to steal a car and all it looks like it need is for someoen to push the button, they will break in. if they find out they cant, you still got the price of a borken window at least. Probs not worth it, least not out in the open.
i reckon its simple enough. i had a ts astra that the ignition buggered up in,so i just wired in a push button start but still used the key remote to unlock the car. when i needed to start the car i just stuck the key in the ignition to unlock the steering then pushed the button to start the car. when i turned the ignition off by the key the car would stop. this was a bodgey job just to keep using the car but it worked & they have a similar ignition setup to a commodore. have a look at the link for a proper push button start system that i was contemplating on putting in my vx
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the factory ignition barrel will remain and the button will be on the left side of the steering wheel on the dash i'd say or down near the gearstick. the only thing i can see stopping me is figuring out how to wire up a keypad input to bypass the immobilser and start the car (like a pin number). I'll still need the key to lock & unlock the car, then ya put the pin in push the button n away you go..
accessories will come on automatically with the button start as well as having the 2nd button for use when the car isnt running..
know what i mean? so the key is only used for locking/unlocking the car.
Simple to wire in, easy as. Still use key, turn key to on position, but hook push button to the starting position wiring where you would turn the key to the starter motor position.That way, no-one cant flog your car, your key lock still works, even so you could run the push button in parallel, so you could hide it when it comes rego time. I am pretty sure the BF GTPs have their push button setup in a similar way. If you had a VE that would even be better, you would only have to push the button and let it go and the car would start itself.
Nice idea, I have a VT, mmm, got me thinking. lol You could arrange to have a flap arrangement that covers the button so dudes walking by won't see it.
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its basically like hotwiring a car. what i did was just removed the wire for start then wired that to one terminal on the push button(which was 2 bucks at jaycar for a real tiny one so it could be hidden) then the other side was earthed. ignition turned on for all dash lights,steering lock etc,then button was pushed to start. the button i used was just a simple push it in & when you release your finger off the button the starter would stop but car would have started(be running). the push button would operate the starter without the key in the ignition but wouldnt run unless the key was in the ignition.
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the key dosnt 'HAVE TOO' be touching the key reader to start it. ... the unlock button on the key turn's all the security off for 20 sec's or so..... also wont re-arm till ignition is off again...
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hey mate, slightly off topic but did u work for Prixcar or patricks?
Spent 3 yrs at prixcar a couple years back, great opportunity to play with all the cars!
I had a remote start module I built that I hooked up to an alarm system. Had to turn the alarm off, then you could start the car.
How it worked was you pressed the start button on the remote then some relays would turn on the ACC an ON, then it would start, and stop cranking when it sensed the voltage from the tacho had risen (started). I also added a wire to the handbrake so that if you released the handbrake before the key was in the ignition and at the ON position it would stall.
You could have it set up a similar way. First add an alarm system in with an immobilizer then have your start button wired up to a similar module so that it would start as soon as you pressed the button, but only after you turned the alarm off.
It might only work once you have the key in the ignition anyway as it might need the transponder to start. Don't know about that part tho.
i had this exact setup in my suzuki 4x4's lol so i know what you mean now..i was thinking of not using the key at all besides unlocking and locking the car though thats allthe push button would operate the starter without the key in the ignition but wouldnt run unless the key was in the ignition.
this is what im planning to do if its possible in my VT. push the button and start the car, without having to physically put the key in the ignition...like putting the key in the ignition turning it to ACC/ON then pushing the button defeats the purpose of having the button. im trying to build a keyless ignition setup - get in push the button n go. key is used to unlock/lock the car and thats it.If you had a VE that would even be better, you would only have to push the button and let it go and the car would start itself.
im looking into an immobiliser/alarm setup so that its armed when the car is locked, goes off when broken into as a security measure, but how ihow would you go about this: someone smashing a window, unlocking it and getting into the vehicle then cruisen off with your car...im not familar with how an immobilser works? this is what i cant figure out other wise i this is what i have thought of so far..
- re-route the the whole ignition to a push button (say ford XR5 button)
- wire the key transponder to the ignition hidden behind the steering wheel.
- have an engine immobiliser & alarm fitted? (as a security measure)
- key is used to unlock and lock the car only.
- steering lock removed?
it might be a simple answer but how would ya stop someone from just smashin a window, pushing the button and being off with your car?
i nearly have it figured out lol
is there any drama"s with permanently wiring the key transponder to the ignition?
i worked for patricks bout two yrs ago mate
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is the transponder the silver knob on the key????
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with mine right now- my ignition switch is ripped out of the ignition.. and can start it with screw driver ore whatever(you got ya special button).... steering locks disabled.. and i turn all security off with the unlock button on key instead of key/key reader..
press unlock (no key in barrel) turn screw driver and away..
try and start it without pressing the unlock button and it wont fire....
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I drove a few cars while in the UK a few weeks ago and they were push button start, but what I liked about them was that you put the remote into a slot in the dash and then you push the button to start it. If you wanted accessories then you give the button a quick push, if you want to start it then you hold the button for about 3 seconds until it fires up. Not sure if this could be done but if you could get your hands on a complete setup from a Volvo,Toyota or Ford etc from a European car that has this setup and integrate it into a Holden it would be pretty neat.
what you could do is as the bcm & the key are linked is possible somehow direct wire it to bcm under the centre console. that way its alot harder to get to. leave the ignition where it is,basicaly a dummy ignition so it looks the part but doesnt do anything(kinda like the prime minister)
the only thing i can think of is to have a switch hidden somewhere that turns the vehicle on & off. another car i had that already had a pushbutton in it was an old hq holden. you had the key per normal to unlock the car,then there was a secondary key/lock mech fitted on the dash(similar to some alarms key holes & key,if you know what i mean,a security type key) insert the key in this then push the button to start. there was no ignition on the column or steering lock. the only problem i could see with this was that it was visible but you could do the same but have it hidden. even possibly have 2 switches,so if they happen to find one it still wont work.
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this is a great idea!!! and i reckon it can be easily done with the right planning. got me really thinking about it now =P i'l do some research into a setup like this, the 200 series landcruiser sahara's have this exact setup - key goes into a slot on the dash and you push the button to start the engine. hmm interestingif you could get your hands on a complete setup from a Volvo,Toyota or Ford etc from a European car that has this setup and integrate it into a Holden it would be pretty neat.
Yeah I thought it was kind of neat, if you figure out how to do it then post it up here as I wouldn't mind giving it a go. I also drove one car that all you needed was to have the remote on you when you were near the car and it unlocked when you lifted the door handle and started when pushing the button, didn't even need to take the remote out of your pocket and then the car locked when you got a certain distance away from it. All pretty cool and would be great if someone could work out how to integrate one of these systems into a Holden.
That would be using Radio Frequency, you can buy ID cards and readers and stuff from places like Jaycar and probably hook them up into the central locking/immobilizer functions of the car. I did read recently about a guy who got a RF chip implanted into his hand and a corresponding reader in the car so all he had to do to start the car was swipe his hand over a certain spot. Pretty damn cool, and no-one else could steal it.... Bit of a problem if he ever wanted to sell the car though.
That sounds like the easier option out of the two, as for selling the car I guess if he ever came across it again in the street he could just hop in and drive away. (just kidding)
[QUOTE=JMP;1627581]Yeah I thought it was kind of neat, if you figure out how to do it then post it up here as I wouldn't mind giving it a go.[QUOTE]
yeah mate im pretty keen to intergrate one of those keyless systems into my VT so i'll post up when i've found something
heya CV6Z. Mate i havent seen anybody mention the battery in the key head????
i think every thing MIGHT work as you wanna try but this battery i reckon wont
last long because its hard wired in.
Just something you must think about in the equation???
I got a feeling you can disarm the factory imobiliser with a tech 2 or something. It was an option I looked at years ago when I installed a remote car starter in my vr statesman. The other option might be to find out the resistance of the key head and wire that into the ignition, that option worked in my statesman but I don't know how different the vt computer is to the vr
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