MACE CAI or growler CAI??

[jmn95]

opinions on whats best for a vu??

i realise that the growler kit is dearer but im just wondering what both kits come, how easy they are to install and are they worth the $$$

[a1k3m1]

ive got a MACE CAI on my car, its awesome as simple as anything, fits perfectly, and if you own a set of allen keys its easy to install, ive heard a few bad stories about the growlers but id go with the MACE IMO

[jmn95]

thanks for the advice, what have you heard about the growlers?

[soop]

[old mate]

i did some work on a mates vy ecotec once and i think it had a growler cai. they are pretty crap.

i think what got me was the fact the intake pipe only slipped together where the MAF sensor is.. so you could just push it and it would come apart, obviously doing great for having clean intake air.

[soop]

Google; Laminar air flow over live wire MAF.

Then.

Google; Pod filter, air flow characteristics.

[tdirago]

classic,

mate just get a MACE, dont waste your money on the dearer shit.

[MACE]

Google; Laminar air flow over live wire MAF.

Then.

Google; Pod filter, air flow characteristics.

Good grief Soop, I was waiting for you to pull your Googleoligist crap up again! The scary part is people actually believe what your saying based on your technical spray painting back ground………..

If you actually knew what you were talking about, then assuming ideally pipe flow under a best case (never going to happen), an ecotec on idle with the factory sizes pipe work would have a Reynolds number of close to 4000. To say you the trouble of Googleing the answer from a "credible source" it means that turbulent flow it present on idle!

Given that the inlet track on a EFT car is FAR from ideal when it comes to pipe flow, especially under transient response (sharp on off throttle), with vortex shedding etc, accurately measuring mass air flow is ALWAYS going to be tricky from a control systems perspective.

Fortunately the engineers at Delphi (their maf in these cars), incorporate a honeycomb/vane structure, to insure that the mean velocity of the air traveling through the MAF is uniform across the cross section of the MAF.

If the bullshit you mentioned wasn’t a problem in the beginning they could have saved themselves probably millions by now for not including they vane in the MAF in the first place, however it is for the reasons I mentioned

On a specific note in regards to pod filters, to say a properly designed pod ensure doesn't work, is definitely selling very short the engineers at Honda and FPV, as they've been used on the Honda S2000 (Bare in mind that for years (if not still) the most powerful production engine per L) and new coyote supercharged V8's. They definitely haven't been used for looks or especially sound, as they're more difficult to keep quite, which is extremely important when it comes down to complying with Australian Standards, so why use them?

Soop, do you know something that the engineers at Honda and FPV don’t, from your vast Googleing expertise?

[joshyewahh]

both CAI's seem fine. iv seen both in person and heard both. the growler creates a hollow/growling noise under heavy acceleration, which gives the engine a nice note.

[soop]

Good grief Soop, I was waiting for you to pull your Googleoligist crap up again! The scary part is people actually believe what your saying based on your technical spray painting back ground………..

If you actually knew what you were talking about, then assuming ideally pipe flow under a best case (never going to happen), an ecotec on idle with the factory sizes pipe work would have a Reynolds number of close to 4000. To say you the trouble of Googleing the answer from a "credible source" it means that turbulent flow it present on idle!

Given that the inlet track on a EFT car is FAR from ideal when it comes to pipe flow, especially under transient response (sharp on off throttle), with vortex shedding etc, accurately measuring mass air flow is ALWAYS going to be tricky from a control systems perspective.

Fortunately the engineers at Delphi (their maf in these cars), incorporate a honeycomb/vane structure, to insure that the mean velocity of the air traveling through the MAF is uniform across the cross section of the MAF.

If the bullshit you mentioned wasn’t a problem in the beginning they could have saved themselves probably millions by now for not including they vane in the MAF in the first place, however it is for the reasons I mentioned

On a specific note in regards to pod filters, to say a properly designed pod ensure doesn't work, is definitely selling very short the engineers at Honda and FPV, as they've been used on the Honda S2000 (Bare in mind that for years (if not still) the most powerful production engine per L) and new coyote supercharged V8's. They definitely haven't been used for looks or especially sound, as they're more difficult to keep quite, which is extremely important when it comes down to complying with Australian Standards, so why use them?

Soop, do you know something that the engineers at Honda and FPV don’t, from your vast Googleing expertise?

Ahh take a hike.
See what happens first hand, how else am I supposed to show people where to find information regarding it ask jeeves?

Go back to flogging your plastic boxes to 17yr olds.

[MACE]

Ahh take a hike.
See what happens first hand, how else am I supposed to show people where to find information regarding it ask jeeves?

Go back to flogging your plastic boxes to 17yr olds.

Ah soop don't be like that it's Easter

Gooooooooooooogle me up some credible links then, if I'm wrong I'm wrong I'll happily wear it and say so I'm sure you're not the type to just run with raw info off Google and take things out of context to validate your recognised appropriate technical background

Better yet you'll be able to work out the Reynolds number (whether or not flow is turbulent or not), quoting recognised technical references. You can post up your calcations here showing everyone your own results

Otherwise do you know something that the engineers at Honda and FPV don’t, from your vast Googleing expertise? As a Googleoligsit by profession what have you unearthed from the world wide web???

I'm not out to flog anything off to anyone just want to get true facts out there, which is completely congruent with what I've been saying all along. No loooooooooong goooooooooone hypocrisy here

Here is some of what I've written over the months gone by
CAI...not seen any difference

OTR CAI for VX V6

With all of the above fundamentally based on PRACTICAL testing like the link below. You'll notice that it's a DIY mod/test link with no MACE products involved

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Cheers,
Steve

[ToMMMaY]

Lawl soop pwnt again
good start to easter morning

[jmn95]

also just wondering what the mace kit comes with?

[MACE]

Hey jmn95,

All the parts needed for the job come in our kit. To see how the kit goes together check out the fitting instructions below (you may need to wait a few minutes for them to load up)

Cold Air Intakes - Mace Engineering Group

If you have any more questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers,
Steve

[jmn95]

does it come with a filter as well or do i have to buy this separate

[joshyewahh]

comes with one

[MACE]

As what joshyewahh has mentioned it come with a filter. The kit comes with everything needed for the job, except basic hand tools needed to install it

If you have any more questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers,
Steve