Wh Xforce exhaust

[Keesh]

Xforce dont make a statesman 2.5 system.. Can anyone tell me What will be closest to modify? Wagon sedan or ute? And is it worth spending extra and getting it converted to h pipe?

[Keesh]

Suit wh genna sorey

[accentstencil]

I would guess wagon because I hear that is what a Statesman is based on.

[GEN3RATD]

Just dont get a shitty xforce system problem solved

[showbags]

Wagon, ute & stato are all the same.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Except the rear section. The tail pipes are longer on the Statesman.

Don't get X-Force.

I can do a Manta 2 1/2" twin system to suit the Statesman for $755 shipped.

[jakstas]

Shitty x-force hasn't been an issue on my car. Don't believe all the negative talk. Make up your own mind

[Crisis63]

Shitty x-force hasn't been an issue on my car. Don't believe all the negative talk. Make up your own mind

Yep. Love mine too. It is X Force cat back with Pacemaker extractors and cats. All my mates seem to think it sounds pretty good to for what its worth.

[Keesh]

Well i can get the xforce for 400.. Big difference between $400 and $750 thats a set of cats.. Or my h pipe conversion

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

There is a reason the X Force is only $400....

[Mattiboi]

Hey guys first time poster here so sorry if im doing this wrong. I just noticed u were talking about exhausts and I was wondering which one u would recommend for a vz ss. I want a nice not nothing excessive. U was told a xforce 2.5 would be perfect but seems like u guys don't agree? Wht options are there n how much would it set me back?

[Jesterarts]

Well i can get the xforce for 400.. Big difference between $400 and $750 thats a set of cats.. Or my h pipe conversion

Manta already come with H pipe.

I have xforce of my clubby... every time I drive and hear it I want to commit suicide, resurrect as a butterfly and fly into a spider web to once again die.

XForce makes my cammed LS2 6.0L sound shit. Aside from that I've had heaps of fun trying to get the thing to sit properly in alignment with the bumper and clear the tailshaft.

I think the best way of explaining my thoughts on xforce is that it's like walking around all day yelling at people loudly rather than talking to them. It might be fun for the first few minutes but you shortly realise you can't live with it on a daily basis.

Lucky for me, I have a nice Manta system on the way (H pipe already included) on the way which I will love in ways that are slightly inappropriate.

If you're planning on getting an xforce and doing a H-pipe conversion down the track then get a manta to start with.

My 2c.

[87LAG]

I find x force fine . . . . There is sound levels you can choose from 2 or 3 muffler makes a massive difference

i no plenty of ppl with all sorts of x force and have had absolutely no issues wat so ever

[Crisis63]

There is a reason the X Force is only $400....

Why? ........

[Jesterarts]

Why? ........

Cheaply made, terrible sound, inconsistant product quality and restrictive merge design.

I think one specific thing about Xforce says it all, every other decent brand retains 2 hanger mounts @ the rear muffler, xforce's only have one hanger. This scretches the rubber hanger, the system hangs lower and not as "fitted" to the bumper cutout and it lets the exhaust swing from side to side more.

They are make to a price and every corner that can be cut to save cost, has been cut.

At the end of the day, they do the job and all of the issues I listed can be overcome. I resolved my hanger and alignment issues. But it all does say alot about the product.

If someone is looking for a cheap system to throw on so their car is loud then xforce is what they need. But going on the fact teh OP wants to put headers on and do a H pipe conversion. He is clearly looking for performance and a good sound. A Manta system ticks more boxes than an xforce does in his case.

And yes, I am a manta fanboi...

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Cheers Jester, couldn't have said it better myself.

A lot of people in the east haven't heard of Manta because it is a WA brand developed, tested and manufactured here. It's not the cheapest system available, but it has value for money performance wise. I would put Manta against DiFillipo, Pacemaker and any other "top shelf" brand out there. We run a modified Manta system on our Senator and have had many comments on how good it sounds. It goes very well too. I wouldn't recommend and sell a system that doesn't do a good job.

[Crisis63]

Cheaply made, terrible sound, inconsistant product quality and restrictive merge design.

I think one specific thing about Xforce says it all, every other decent brand retains 2 hanger mounts @ the rear muffler, xforce's only have one hanger. This scretches the rubber hanger, the system hangs lower and not as "fitted" to the bumper cutout and it lets the exhaust swing from side to side more.

They are make to a price and every corner that can be cut to save cost, has been cut.

At the end of the day, they do the job and all of the issues I listed can be overcome. I resolved my hanger and alignment issues. But it all does say alot about the product.

If someone is looking for a cheap system to throw on so their car is loud then xforce is what they need. But going on the fact teh OP wants to put headers on and do a H pipe conversion. He is clearly looking for performance and a good sound. A Manta system ticks more boxes than an xforce does in his case.

And yes, I am a manta fanboi...

Cheers. I guess sound is subjective. My car came with an X Force cat back system. Sounded fine to me. I got Pacemaker extractors and the Pacemaker guys made derogatory comments about it at the time. I put on Pacemaker cats just recently. I like the sound. It rumbles along at cruise and goes bit nuts when I put my foot down. My mates tend to like it to and I guess they hear it from the outside. One did say it sounds nasty bit in a good way? As I said its subjective.
I have been under my car enough so I should know but I can’t remember the rubber hanger set up. It certainly doesn’t sway.
My exhaust is also supported by a cross member attached to the cats (or was on the standard ones).
I don’t know how old it is so I guess the quality aspect is unknown in my case.
Why is the merge restrictive?

[Jesterarts]

Merge is restrictive because the area of the crossection in the merge is less than the combined crossection area of the 2 pipes entering the merge.

This means the gase velocity is not constant before, through and after the merge.

I read a thread somewhere when they pointed a temp gun thing at various points along the system and found that the temperature @ the merge was alot higher than along the rest of the system. Can't find it now, but yeah.

Best bet, check out the Sureflo site as they ahve a great write up about merges.

Hope that made sense, it did in my head.

Cheers,

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

I also posted up a pic of the X Force system that was used and the colour of the merge showed how hot it got.

[ucwepn]

sorry to hijack but is this a H pipe? exhaust came with the car.

[Jesterarts]

sorry to hijack but is this a H pipe? exhaust came with the car.

Yep, that looks like a H-pipe. Also known as a balance pipe.

Though the quality of that exhaust is questionable, looks like it's press bent rather than mandrel.

Was it a custom system? Looks like it to me.

[Crisis63]

Merge is restrictive because the area of the crossection in the merge is less than the combined crossection area of the 2 pipes entering the merge.

This means the gase velocity is not constant before, through and after the merge.

I read a thread somewhere when they pointed a temp gun thing at various points along the system and found that the temperature @ the merge was alot higher than along the rest of the system. Can't find it now, but yeah.

Best bet, check out the Sureflo site as they ahve a great write up about merges.

Hope that made sense, it did in my head.

Cheers,

Cheers. Went over my head though. ;-)
I would like to be in a position to try out different systems to see what appreciable differences can be realised. In any case when this one drops off I will give something else a try I guess.

[ucwepn]

yep I'd say its custom and press bend, it was free with the car so I'm not complaining, also not chasing more power so I'm happy with it, its a bit loud though but I don't go cruising with mates on weekends etc so I hopefully wont get pinged for too loud.