Rear Door leak

[wortus]

In all the heavy rain today the back passengers door on my VY sedan has leaked again and there was a lot of water on the floor. It happened about 12 month ago and I removed and resealed the plastic seal behind the door card to the door. This stopped the leak and whenever the car was washed or driven in the rain it did not leak however today in the heavy rain it was parked outside and a fair bit of water got in.
Has anyone had similar issues with their VY's and found a solution? Looking at it there is a lot of water on the door under the door trim, inside the door seal so I think it must be coming out from under the door trim. The drain holes in the door are not blocked and it's just this one door. I'm going to take it apart and check it again and may reseal it again, if anyone has resealed one of these what did you use?

[VTPREDATOR]

new window/door rubbers maybe? are the drain holes blocked?

[wortus]

new window/door rubbers maybe? are the drain holes blocked?

The drain holes are open and it has the revised rubber plugs that have a hole in them. The door rubbers around the top of the door all look to be OK and no sign of water gettign past them. I'll have a look at the rubber on the botton edge but I think it may be coming from behind the door card again.

[VYMAD]

Hey, Wortus, mine leaks there too, but only when I wash the car, only the back doors. Seems to get in along the bottom rubber of the door. It's only a small amount, mind you, like a bit on the inside door rubber and it may sometimes leak onto the carpet. Wasn't it a pretty common thing on the VY's?

[wortus]

Hey, Wortus, mine leaks there too, but only when I wash the car, only the back doors. Seems to get in along the bottom rubber of the door. It's only a small amount, mind you, like a bit on the inside door rubber and it may sometimes leak onto the carpet. Wasn't it a pretty common thing on the VY's?

I think some VY's leak, mine got slightly wet once or twice when I washed it and it got a lot of water in it during a big storm. I resealed the door seal and it was fine no leaks at all except for the wet weather in Sdney yesterday. The other doors are fine, this door has been worked on by Holden under warranty and the seal was a bit damaged so I got a new one from Holden and will fit it. Have you had your door trims off to check?
I think this is water getting through the seal and coming in at the bottom of the door card as the card was wet inside last time and it looked like water had splashed out of the large hole in the door and collected in the seal between it and the door and slowly leaked out. There not good seals and I think the type on a VN are much better, they are thicker plastic and blow moulded to the door shape.
What sealants do people use to stick it to the door?

[Sean880]

Wortus

There are a million and 1 adhesives for automotive use. Perhaps you could try the 3M adhesive product (in a tube)that is used for bonding rubber seals to body work. If it works for rubber body seals it should be OK for the door plastic and it is available here.

I would open the door and run a hose over the window for a while to check that the water entry is definitely from the inside of the door this time. It sounds like it. However, the bottom and lower side rubber seals on the pax rear door aperture are not quite as good as they should be on these cars and water can build up on the surface of the bottom seal adjacent to the scuff plate if enough water is run onto the door area.

[wortus]

I took the door card off yeaterday and there was a fair bit of water sitting in between the plastic seal and the door frame under one of the large holes to get at the window mechanism etc. It looks like the sealant I used last time has dried out and there were places where it had come unstuck fromthe plastic. I am going to check out those other seals you mentioned but I think I will remove the current plastic again and clean off the old sealer from the door and try again with a urathane sealant/adhesive instead.
Hopefully it will fix it. Also there was a lot of water up the top of the door under the quarter window do you know if these are meant to leak? There was a bit of foam rubber there too which was saturated. There's a hole in the inside shell of door under the quarter about 10mm in diameter do you know if it is meantot have a bung in it?

[Sean880]

------------------......... Also there was a lot of water up the top of the door under the quarter window do you know if these are meant to leak? There was a bit of foam rubber there too which was saturated. There's a hole in the inside shell of door under the quarter about 10mm in diameter do you know if it is meant ot have a bung in it?

No I do not know. I don't have any leaks around the quarter windows in the rear doors on my car as the seals are in very good nick. But then the car spends most of its time parked indoors or otherwise under cover and I have never had any damage or body repair work done on any part of the car either.

[wortus]

No I do not know. I don't have any leaks around the quarter windows in the rear doors on my car as the seals are in very good nick. But then the car spends most of its time parked indoors or otherwise under cover and I have never had any damage or body repair work done on any part of the car either.

Thank, this car is in good nick too, no accident repairs and also spends a lot of time in the garage as it's hardly ever taken to work. Have you had your rear door trims off? At the top of the door inside behind the quarter window there is a bit of a channel with a lip the door card clips to and in this channel it's packed with foam rubber and water had got in there. I've got a new door seal and will be redoing it this week with a better sealant/adhesive compound.

[Sean880]

Yes just the one on the rear driver's side a couple of years ago now. Did not see any water sealing problems then. Don't like the window seal design on the doors though.

[wortus]

Yes just the one on the rear driver's side a couple of years ago now. Did not see any water sealing problems then. Don't like the window seal design on the doors though.

Yeah the rear windows push up the seal at the top rear because they scew when they hit the stopper at the top front. There was a revision to add an extra stopper to the top of this channel which I bought but can't figure out how to fit them.
I don't think the rear 1/4 windows are that well sealed in by design as the water just goes into the door. I think in heavy storms this could be part of the problem I might look into that when I fix the plastic seal this week.

[wortus]

I eventually replaced the plastic seal behind the door card and resealed it however in the rain yesterday the rear left hand side floor was still wet, the wet patch seemed to be directly under the top edge of the door some distance in from the edge of the car and there was no water near the bottom of the door, on the plastic trim and unlike before no evidence of water getting in via the door trim (dripping out of the crew holes on its bottom edge).
I think it may be the door seal around the door opening. Has anyone had any luck chasing down such leaks so I can have an idea where to start looking? The actual door rubbers look to be in good condition and this is the only door that leaks. I read that the power windows can deform the seal and there was an extra stopper added to the rear channel to stop the glass doing this and I have these but have no idea how to fit them has anyone bought and fitted these? Here's a link to the info; Faults - VY Body

[Sean880]

I would be hopping in the car when it is all dry again and have someone run a slow running hose for a few minutes on different sections of the door gaps and around the window sections with the door fully closed while you look for the internal water entry point.

If you do this methodically beginning at the bottom of the door and then moving up each side slowly you should be able to get an idea from inside the car where the likely weak point is in the door seals for water entry.

I suspect the rubber seal on the body running along the bottom of the door aperture will be one likely culprit.

I do not have any water entry problems on my car at all but would be very interested in your findings..

[wortus]

I would be hopping in the car when it is all dry again and have someone run a slow running hose for a few minutes on different sections of the door gaps and around the window sections with the door fully closed while you look for the internal water entry point.

If you do this methodically beginning at the bottom of the door and then moving up each side slowly you should be able to get an idea from inside the car where the likely weak point is in the door seals for water entry.

I suspect the rubber seal on the body running along the bottom of the door aperture will be one likely culprit.

I do not have any water entry problems on my car at all but would be very interested in your findings..

A guy on one forum I read said a similar problem on his car turned out to be the rubber seal ontop of the door, the door glass was going up too far and distorting the seal. Holden put out an extra stopper for the door glass that fits on the rear channel (ther eis only one on the front channel and this makes the glass skew when it hits it). Kit has no instructions on how to fit, they tell me that I have to call a dealer, local dealer with no quarms said they won't tell me how to fit the parts and I have to book it in and pay.
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[whitey66]

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[heckle]

Have you fixed this problem yet?
I have same, on both rear doors.

[wortus]

Have you fixed this problem yet?
I have same, on both rear doors.

No, it didn't leak in the last lot of rain. The car is mostly in the garage during the week. Have you removed your door cards to check that the plastic sheet/seal is stuck on properly? I'd be checking that first then looking at adjusting the upper stop on the windows as they can come up too far and distort the door seal as there doesn't appear to be a lot of "crush" on the top part of the inner seal on the door opening when the door is closed.

[sydney123]

for window repairs i suggest valiant glass, they did a good job replacing mine
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[Delish-VY]

Digging up an old thread, I am having problems with my front driver's side door leaking through the seal, I checked to see what the issue was and I believe I found it, some of the rubber seal has come slightly unsealed, it still looks like its in the right place but I think water is leaking in behind it, what is the best way to seal it/glue it back on, I have a little tube of "super heavy duty" superglue, which I used to fix my fuel cap when I accidently walked into it at the petrol station while filling up...and thats held it together perfectly, just wondering if it will damage the rubber or not bond correctly.

[wortus]

Digging up an old thread, I am having problems with my front driver's side door leaking through the seal, I checked to see what the issue was and I believe I found it, some of the rubber seal has come slightly unsealed, it still looks like its in the right place but I think water is leaking in behind it, what is the best way to seal it/glue it back on, I have a little tube of "super heavy duty" superglue, which I used to fix my fuel cap when I accidently walked into it at the petrol station while filling up...and thats held it together perfectly, just wondering if it will damage the rubber or not bond correctly.

I wouldn't use super glue on rubber because where it dries on the rubber it will make it hard and leave this white residue. I'd be inclined to use a contact adhesive. When I had my VN I had to stick the door rubbers back a few times and used contact adhesive, it works best if you clean both surfaces with some metho first though,
If it's leaking around the front of the window frame and the door catch is properly adjusted you may need to adjust the door frame? Mine doesn't leak here but it has developed a bit of a rattle I don't know maybe the rubbers shrink a bit over time? I've also heard of these cars dripping water onto the drivers leg fromt he door seal when you go around a corner.

[Delish-VY]

Well...I ended up sealing the door seal rubber with the adhesive I had, but it turned out not to be the area that was leaking, it's coming through where the bonnet release is...I have no idea where to start with where it could be coming from n it's bloody frustrating.

[Calaber]

Steve

Check the windscreen seal and inside the plenum chamber. If the screen seal fails, water can enter, run towards the lower outer corners and drip down behind the trim at the base of the windscreen, just in front of the tweeters.

The plenum has a number of sealed panel joints and can collect rubbish such as leaves, which block the drainage system. If the water pools sufficiently, it may be entering the car through the join between the firewall and the body shell if the adhesive has failed somewhere. (The firewall is glued in place in VY's.)

[Delish-VY]

Hmm, sounds like a plan, any chance you could take a few pics of the area's I should have a look at?, as my mechanical knowledge is minimal. I wanna try to fix this on my own and learn a little bit more as I go along.

[Calaber]

Hmm, sounds like a plan, any chance you could take a few pics of the area's I should have a look at?, as my mechanical knowledge is minimal. I wanna try to fix this on my own and learn a little bit more as I go along.

OK, I'll try to remember to take a few tomorrow. Bit late now and you need plenty of light to see the areas I'm talking about.

[Delish-VY]

OK, I'll try to remember to take a few tomorrow. Bit late now and you need plenty of light to see the areas I'm talking about.

K thanks mate, I remember when I got my A/C fixed I asked the blokes at the mechanics to take a quick look n see if they could see any reason it was leaking and they couldn't, that was without touching/removing anything though, he did say that the place I should start with would be remove the area at the bottom of the front windscreen but I didn't want to go in and break something.