Supercharge my Manual S

[My 03' VYII 'S']

I have a 2003 VY II 'S' and my engine is on its way out.
I'm wanting to supercharge my engine and i have found a complete motor with factory supercharger and with all acc. e.g. ecu/loom, etc.

Is it possible to replace my old motor with this one? im just not sure because i have manual transmittion and i know that the ecu on the supercharged motor has things to do with the auto trans..

Is it possible to fit this motor and keep my manual transmittion??

Thanks heaps

[My 03' VYII 'S']

so far ive been told its possible. all that needs to be done is a new flywheel as well as a reconfiguration of the ecu.
can anyone back this up?
cheers

[My 03' VYII 'S']

Look out blokes, there will be a supercharges s on the streets, in a manual
got the all clear, motor has been bought and is on its way. too bad im not on my opens yet.. but anyway, for anyone who wants to know out of interest, YES a manual V6 commodore can get a supercharger conversion

[taztassio]

common knowledge on l67torque.com

go there for all the info pertaining to the engines and mods.

[jr689]

how much did the engine set you back mate... and yea how do you go about mating it up to the manual getrag???

[My 03' VYII 'S']

engine is 2nd hand, cost me a total of $3000 including getting it from penrith to here via truck. motor has done 80,000km and is in good nik
alot of research an stuffing around aye. end up being told that all i need to do is change my flywheel and tune my ecu. I dont know a great deal about the transmittion side of things but i was told its actually not too hard to do.. but im yet to see that for myself

[jr689]

Very nice indeed... Where abouts did you find that, reka I could just pick one up on eBay haha??? I'd be keen to get one and flog of my ecotec which is still in good working order mind you so surely I'd be able to get close to a grand for it and cover the cost to upgrade to the l67...

[My 03' VYII 'S']

found it in the trading post.. looked all through ebay, not alot there really.
if you have low km's on it you should be able to get a bit for it. mine on the other hand has 188,000km on it an i couldnt be bother rebuilding it and adding a supercharger cos that'd cost a fortune.. whole new motor is the way to go as long as you have contacts or know where you can get the parts you need from - like the custom made flywheel and the ecu tuning

[jr689]

Jeez custom made flywheel sounds pricey without contacts though haha

[karlos]

engine is 2nd hand, cost me a total of $3000 including getting it from penrith to here via truck. motor has done 80,000km and is in good nik
alot of research an stuffing around aye. end up being told that all i need to do is change my flywheel and tune my ecu. I dont know a great deal about the transmittion side of things but i was told its actually not too hard to do.. but im yet to see that for myself

Get over to L67torque.com.au before you start spending/wasting anymore money.For $1500 you could of had what you have just paid 3k for.

If manual wasnt a priority the you could have sold the manual conversion for good money and got a full Auto conversion(key,ecu,loom ect)for $2000+install.3k max and your on the road,thats with replacing a few gaskets(LIM/sump).

[My 03' VYII 'S']

Get over to L67torque.com.au before you start spending/wasting anymore money.For $1500 you could of had what you have just paid 3k for.

If manual wasnt a priority the you could have sold the manual conversion for good money and got a full Auto conversion(key,ecu,loom ect)for $2000+install.3k max and your on the road,thats with replacing a few gaskets(LIM/sump).

dont want auto mate

[0081]

You dont need a custom flywheel just one thats not a dual mass, also the auto crank in the supercharged motor will need to be drilled to sute the dowl pins needed for a manual flywheel.

Also with the computer you will have to use the supercharged one and have it linked to your PCM or have a custom tune installed onto your current computer.

And i dont thin you will get a supercharged motor with 80,000kms for $1500.

Also if the motor is not from a VY use your sump as its bigger

Good to see another manual super6 on the roads, im doing currently doing what you are about to to my VYs maual also

[My 03' VYII 'S']

You dont need a custom flywheel just one thats not a dual mass, also the auto crank in the supercharged motor will need to be drilled to sute the dowl pins needed for a manual flywheel.

Also with the computer you will have to use the supercharged one and have it linked to your PCM or have a custom tune installed onto your current computer.

And i dont thin you will get a supercharged motor with 80,000kms for $1500.

Also if the motor is not from a VY use your sump as its bigger

Good to see another manual super6 on the roads, im doing currently doing what you are about to to my VYs maual also

Cheers for the info man, appreciate it.

i paid $3200 for the motor and postage all up

its a VX motor so ill use my sump.. its it a simple change over? or doesnt it need to be fitting specially?

thats good to hear! have you started on it yet?

[alien]

Jeez custom made flywheel sounds pricey without contacts though haha

Price for flywheel weighted for the supercharger is $350 plus GST. Then postage if your not in NSW.

[0081]

Cheers for the info man, appreciate it.

i paid $3200 for the motor and postage all up

its a VX motor so ill use my sump.. its it a simple change over? or doesnt it need to be fitting specially?

thats good to hear! have you started on it yet?

Now you have the motor you have to pick which way you are going to go with the computer side of things. you can either find a l67 VY computer and loom (if its different to the VX loom im unsure if it the same or not) or use your current loom and get a custom tune on your computer.
Both have there good and bad points but the only realy bad thing for using your loom and computer is the price of the tune.

Also you have to work out how you are doing to drill the crank for the dowl pins.

So far i have my bottom end built and they drilled the crank for me, i have sent my heads away to get the valve seats done. When they come back ill be putting the top end together and getting it in the car asap.
Im using my NA computer and getting a custom tune, i went this way as the NA computer is better than the SC one, i already have a cam i the bottom end and sydney seams to have the best tuner for these motors

[My 03' VYII 'S']

Now you have the motor you have to pick which way you are going to go with the computer side of things. you can either find a l67 VY computer and loom (if its different to the VX loom im unsure if it the same or not) or use your current loom and get a custom tune on your computer.
Both have there good and bad points but the only realy bad thing for using your loom and computer is the price of the tune.

Also you have to work out how you are doing to drill the crank for the dowl pins.

So far i have my bottom end built and they drilled the crank for me, i have sent my heads away to get the valve seats done. When they come back ill be putting the top end together and getting it in the car asap.
Im using my NA computer and getting a custom tune, i went this way as the NA computer is better than the SC one, i already have a cam i the bottom end and sydney seams to have the best tuner for these motors

Chiptorque told me the best way to go about it is to use my original VY chip and loom.. they quoted $995 for the custom tune-which im ok with. So most likely ill go that way and not stuff around looking for a new computer to suit.

What would my options be for the drilling? do they require the car and motor together or..?

Oh wicked mate thats good as. Do you have any recommendations in the way of changing out stock parts of the motor? im going to buy a yella terra upgrade kit but not sure if anything else should be added/replaced

[0081]

That price from chiptorque sounds ok to be, and they are correct in saying using your current loom and computer is the best way to go. You can aso sell the loom, computer and box to get come cash back.

As for drilling the crank if you visit l67torque.com there are a few people that have drilled the crank while its in the motor, that was something i didnt didnt want to do as you have to get the flywheel on in the correct position first and you will only get one go at it.
I would be looking for a engine builder that is happy to do it for you, but thats just me.
You will also need a new flywheel that is mirror blanced to the flex plate that on the supercharged motor.

With up grading parts you realy should look at what you want in the long run. while the motor is not in the car you should make any changes now to save you time and money later.
What do get in the yella terra upgrade kit???
I would be looking at a cam if i was you and not changing the rockers esp as the motor is not in the car.
105" valve springs and retainers and valve oil seals
If you are wanting to run a W2A cooler i would also look at porting the lim now, but if you want to go A2A then dont port it
Also people have had good gains by porting the elbow after the throttle body.

As for buying aftermarket parts i get mine from zzperformance.com and then go to the grand prix section.

[My 03' VYII 'S']

That price from chiptorque sounds ok to be, and they are correct in saying using your current loom and computer is the best way to go. You can aso sell the loom, computer and box to get come cash back.

As for drilling the crank if you visit l67torque.com there are a few people that have drilled the crank while its in the motor, that was something i didnt didnt want to do as you have to get the flywheel on in the correct position first and you will only get one go at it.
I would be looking for a engine builder that is happy to do it for you, but thats just me.
You will also need a new flywheel that is mirror blanced to the flex plate that on the supercharged motor.

With up grading parts you realy should look at what you want in the long run. while the motor is not in the car you should make any changes now to save you time and money later.
What do get in the yella terra upgrade kit???
I would be looking at a cam if i was you and not changing the rockers esp as the motor is not in the car.
105" valve springs and retainers and valve oil seals
If you are wanting to run a W2A cooler i would also look at porting the lim now, but if you want to go A2A then dont port it
Also people have had good gains by porting the elbow after the throttle body.

As for buying aftermarket parts i get mine from zzperformance.com and then go to the grand prix section.

yeah thats what i was thinking.

ok so you took your crank shaft out and sent it away to be drilled?

ive got someone lined up to get the flywheel machined for me so that part is sorted.

the yella terra upgrade kit comes with an aftermarket pully that pulls around 10psi as it spins faster, also comes with a snout upgrade that replaces the original one.. havent looked into it too much but ive been told that its definately the way to go.

ok ill look into those. whats the difference between W2A and A2A?

[0081]

The motor i got needed some work so i striped it down and sent the bottom end to get built so i had a fresh motor, they drilled the crank for me.

You cant machine the stock flywheel. there has been some talk of people of just using the stock dual mass flywheel as it is but the general way to go is to get a new solid flywheel and get it blanced to the same the flex plate on the motor your getting.

In regards to the YT kit i would only get it if you like the look of the snout. There are many other options that let you change the pulley size and cost a lot less. look at it like this the YT snout costs about $800 or so with a pulley (i think from what i can remember) and you can get a pulley fitted for much less than $250. I do have the YT snout sitting there to go on only because i like the look of it and i got it second hand at a good price

A2A is air 2 air intercooling, you have a plate that sits under the charger and driects air to a front mount intercooler where the air gets cooled and then returned to the motor
W2A is when you have a small radiator under the charger and as the hot air passes through it the water takes some of the heat out of the air. the water in the small rad under the charges is pumped around into a large radiator at the front of the car where the hot water gets cooled by the air passing over it and it then returns back to the charger again.

You will only need one of these is you are going to go over 10 psi

Which is better well you will have to read up on it and see what one you like, there have been many posts what turn to crap over this topic its nearly like which is better holden or ford.
If you do pick A2A then find a tuner first as they can be VERY hard to tune and not everyone can do it. but once tuned by the right person the A2A is the best option if you ask me and thats the way im going.

If you want PM me and ill give you my thoughts about the good and bad of each choice.

[My 03' VYII 'S']

ok no worries. well im going to be stripping my motor down anyway cos i want to go through and replace all the seals and what not so i might see if i can get it sent somewhere to be drilled for me..

nah i wasnt gunna do that, ill probly get a whole new clutch from NPC clutches which includes the flywheel

ok well ill look into that an see what the go is.. i wouldnt mind the YT kit cos i do like the look of it but dont like the price all that much!

cool thanks for the explaination! i've been told by a few people i dont need to do anything like that in regards to cooling.. is it something im definately needing? or should i say is it definately worth getting one of the 2 rather than none at all? after i sort out if i need one i might hit you up about the pros and cons

[0081]

You will only need a intercooler if you plan to run more then 10pas, I think its a 87mm pulley.
Some people have run up to 12 psi but the general thought is 10psi max

[My 03' VYII 'S']

i wasnt gunna run over 10psi.. 10 will be my max for the time being so i might see if i can get away with not getting it intercooled.. just a lot more of a hastle really.. and doing it myself, will be a fair bit more difficult to get done cos im doing the conversion 600km's from home so i kinda need to get back for work lol