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a few questions about lowering
so im thinking about lowering my vy, when you replace the springs, do you need to replace the shocks aswell or can i use the stock ones??, im on a tight budget for new springs etc etc
Depends how low you are going, if you're going anything more than super low then you're better off getting shorter shocks so it doesn't bottom out.
If you're shocks are oem then they may be rooted anyway.
You can keep stock shocks/struts, BUT i wouldn't recommend it. The reason you get shortened shocks is so they work to their full potential as they would as full height on normal shocks.Originally Posted by Nic92
If you use normal shocks with low springs, half of the shock is already being used, therefore you feel every tiny bump and big bumps it'll bottom out over.
ALOT of people do it without changing shocks/struts, but I would do them all together. I got my SL and SSL in rear and it's almost just as comfy at stock with shocks and stuff (except over train tracks and fked roads).
Simply, yes you can. Just won't be comfortable.
edit: there's also a chance your struts/shocks could be already ####ed.
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ok, thanks for the reply's if i were to get new springs soon i wouldnt be able to afford new shocks, so idk il think about it, also what is the lowest to go that is legal, dont wanna go through the whole yellow sticker process
Super Lows would be legal. Just
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If you were too search, It's one of those subjects where endless information is available.
When i put shortened shocks in mine though, You'll notice the shock itself is shorter in legnth. This is to help holding the spring in where the rear cradle drops quickly over railways or un even roads.
If you run a SSSL spring with stock shocks, You run the risk of your springs falling out. I also used a few stainless steel zip ties holding the springs in mine.
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thats what this forum is for
yeah but for SL i rekon my stock shocks are alright
They'll be right. Just uncomfortable. But also like super said, springs falling out = not good. I had trouble getting my SSSL (Now SSL part number) springs out with shortened shocks. I had to undo the shocker and drop the diff and keep the car on jack stands on the skirts just to get them out
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If your car still has the factory shocks then they will be completely stuffed by now. They will ride very badly/unsafe with SL or lower springs.
If the shocks have been replaced less then 40,000km ago it should be OK with SL or lower springs, but it's still a good idea to fit shortened shocks to get the best ride quality and ensure the springs don't fall out!
i have a VY S II and just had my car lowered, not to extreme. i can still fit my hand between the rear gaurd and the top of the trye.. just :P. and i have kept my stock shocks and i havnt had any problems with feeling every little imperfection on the road, drives really smooth and best of all, i can get over speed humps without going side ways like alot of tools.. i mean drivers out there haha jks.
how much a good shorter shocks btw??
383ci HTV2300 blown LS1!!
heres mine. im not sure how low it is compared to king springs as mines on lovells ultra low springs.
i still have the stock shocks in. its been sitting like this for the past +3years. :P this thread as reminded me to buy shorted shocks, so i have just bought a set of ebay :P haha thanks for the reminder guys.
as said above, its not safe practice. if you do it cheap and just get springs (like the last owner of my ute). it will be very bumpy and have the risk of a spring fallowing out. i never have.
just get the springs. but take care driving if the money is short. just make sure you put shorted shocks in then the $$$ are there.
want to see more then a typical commodore fitted with an exhuast, then check my thread out... link broken cuase i dont own a tuff car, i just made it up...
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yeah thanks for the comments, i will end up getting the shocks later on, but for now il just get the SL springs
even with the stock shocks/springs always been going like 2km/h wen i go over bumps
My car is pretty low, nothing over the top though. Used standard shocks. Ride quality is awesome. My shocks lasted me over 100 000ks.
Just replaced them with standard KYBs, and ride quality is smoother still. New verses old.
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so the dealer says "you do not need to 100% change the shocks and struts however it is highly recommended to. Doing so will greatly improve ride quality, handling, braking and tyre wear. Also the lowest legal springs are the Super low springs "
As what was said above basically.
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Got me stuffed how people think SL's are legal.
As soon as you put your lunch in the back its illegal, but you modify cars with the knowleage that somethings will get frowned apon.
As for the struts, I've got SL's on FE2 struts and shocks. Ride is the same as it was prior to fitting the SL's. Camber is fine, spring's are still captive and rebound is fine. Fail to see at which point they're deemed to be unsafe (Internet experts no doubt).
That said, there will be far more benifits if using the appropriate dampers.
Lowest legal height is not a smart question to ask on a forum since it varies state to state and youll most likely get dribs and drabs of peoples vaugue understanding of their states regulations. Your best off going on the website for you states RTA.
As far as shocks go it depends how low you want go. As soop says, SL's are fine with stock dampeners but if theyre a bit worn its cheaper to get them replaced now while its all apart than in 12 months time. Its stuff all extra labour cost to do shocks at the same time
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If you're paying to have someone swap springs onto old shocks you're a clown.
The only time its worthwhile using old shock is if you're doing the job yourself.
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well, il be doin it myself for sure, people can see that im in WA and maybe they would knwo, idk meh, anyway umm i did tell that dealer on ebay, im in Perth and he said its alright with SL's so thats what il be getting when i get some cash
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You wont have any trouble. But i can almost guarantee you it isnt strictly speaking legal.
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ohh well probably not, once my sub is in its even lower -.-
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With nothing in my car at all, It sits right on the legal limit. No way it will be legal with a a sub + 2 passengers.
But, this is the risk you take when modifying cars.
As soon as you fit an aftermarket exhaust, its ilegal. Heck making use of the sub is technically illegal. So where do you draw the line?
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