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5ltr. in a VY
I know this is a real stupid question, the only reason im asking is because im curious...is it posible at all to fit a VR-VS 5ltr V8 into a VY in place of the Ecotec? Sorry if i sound really stupid, remember im only 15 and i dont own either of those beauties so iv got no idea
Thanx
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I am pretty sure it is illegal to put an older engine in a newer car. But i don't know how they work it.
i would say u could but a VY ecotec 6 wouldnt be far behind a 5L powerwise, and for the price of a switchover it could be upgraded to out power the 5L anyway...1 thing i wouldnt mind knowing is if a alloytec will fit a VS...
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I wasnt wondering about power, well i am, but i luv the sound of the 5ltr, it sounds like a beast! And me not being on my P's yet, im just assesing my optionsI remember i just had a random thought 1 day, it just put the best of 2 awesome cars in one, the VY's interior and body, but the VS powerplant
THER U HAV IT
And then if u supercharge the 5ltr, it has a much bigger power output than if u just supercharge an Ecotec, from capa, i think its about a 80kw+ difference :my:
Last edited by Frandy; 11-01-2006 at 11:33 PM.
Yes you can do it. It's not a stupid idea as more power is available from the 5 litre than the Gen3. Look at the stock head flow numbers for example. Look at the racing Gen3's .. basically non existant where as the Holden 5Litre is available in droves. I've been speaking to a few engine builders and they also reckon out of the box it's a good motor compared to the Gen3.
It is illegal due to the emission requirements, but can be engineered.
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Emission requirements?! So you mean, if i can get the money, it is possible to do?! And when you said it can be engineered, does that mean you can tune it or sumthing so that it does meet the requirements? And i know im only 15, but how much would it cost for the 5ltr engine, then how much would it cost, aprox. to put it in and wire it all up? Thanx!
Very, very ambitious statement. If you could, can you explain yourself a bit more? i would like to hear what you have to say.Originally Posted by Snap
I can see the idea, I mean V8 supercars run 5.0 litre engines don't they?
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Yep, skaifes car last yr was a 5ltr V8 pushing out 447kw and 617nm, it also gets to 100km/h in 4.0 secs! Do the Ford V8's hav the same engine because of the regulations or do they have one of ther own 5.4 ltrs under the hood? And again about my question b4, how much would a VN-VT 5ltr V8 cost from a wreckers or sumthing? Oh and if you get the engine, do u need a new trans or just keep the stock 5spd?
Last edited by Frandy; 12-01-2006 at 07:21 PM.
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195i V8 on eBay
Hey guys, i just found a nice 195i V8 on ebay, he's asking $5,000 including computer, loom, cold air induction and gearbox. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/5-0L-195i-V8-...QQcmdZViewItem I rekon that would be great, if only i was 18 nowThen i would buy this jet black engine cover, and i would be grand
yeah but you spend 5 grand on the engine and another 5 grand putting it in (just pulling numbers out my ass here)
At 15 id be thinking more along lines of practical rather than choppign up cars, thats more somethign to do when you are older and have money to tinker with.
You can buy my 04VY in 3 years lol, thats about the time ill be selling it i guess
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lol, I dont really wanna exec tho, iv had a look at them, and the VY II S is now $26,000. Now thats bout $4,000 cheaper than halfway throuhg last yr! Hopefully it will be another $6,000-8,000 cheaper in 3 yrs. Maxy, seein ur 19 how much was ur VY II Exec? And is it Manual? Are u happy wif it, i know ther sum pretty stupid questions, but im interested
how long have they run 5 litres for though? if the holden teams were to go a gen 3, what would ford use? it's all got to do with avesco and the laws it states and creates. theyre even talking about a control chassis ffs! soon enough, the only difference will be body shape and engine make. like nascar, it all comes back to driver skill and team tactics.
Wish it would rain......
Hey Frandy, you will probably be right with those prices on the VY S.
If you're interested my VY SII S has the 5 speed manual and I'm pretty happy with it. The only puzzle for me is that the revs sit at nearly 2200 @ 100kmh whereas the autos sit at about 2000 (as I understand) seems to be no issue for economy that I can tell. Manual can be a pain with the cruise control sometimes.
Overall satisfaction with the S pack is good. The interior is pretty standard except for the (poxy colours in some cases) upholstery inserts and the nice leather steering wheel. Outside I think they look great, just enough like an SS to be cool but not so much that you seem like a wannabe (mind you, I bought a couple of the chrome "S" badges and stuck them on the rear doors like the SS- just for something different from the other S packs on the road- not to imitate).
I'm happy with response and power out of the 3.8l, and considering fuel prices think that it's still a good comprimise. The handling is excellent in my books, it's not a race car but the FE2 suspension is tops and the 17" rims give good looks and cornering without being too rough on the kidneys. The ride is NOT overly comfortable on bumpy country roads but the suspension is quite firm so that's to be expected.
In short mate, I think you would do just fine with your dream car, sensible balance between looks, performance, safety and value; it would be a great start.
One more thing for young drivers in general: I had the opportunity to drive at the holden performance driving center on the gold coast and experienced the ability of "ESP" which is fitted to some of the VZ range. "ESP" automatically controls the brakes to correct dangerous situations such as tail skid from oversteer etc. ESP is an outstanding safety feature and should be mandatiory on all first cars (even if it can kill the fun in some cases-like traction control). wish they had it on the VY. my two cents......
So it's true, they really are becoming the same car! I say bring back Group A/C, make it depend on the cars reliability vs. performance as much as the drivers skill
dont get me wrong juzza, as long as there is motor racing, there will always be the issue of reliability, what i was getting at though, is there are less differences appearing between a typical ford and typical holden team. i really hope it dont end up like that nascrap, oval track boring as batshit....
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Hey guys, the guy hoo's selling the 5.0ltr V8 out of the VS has brought the price down to $4,000. I had a look on ebay, i saw a 5.7ltr Gen III for $2,000!!! I couldn't beleive it, even though it was in early bidding it was still a hell of a lot cheaper than the 5 litre. Oh and thanx SPac for all that
Infidel Bear
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Im interested in where you pulled all this from, got any real figures to back it all up?
Yes the reason why the Holden's in the V8 Supercars still use the good old 5 litre donks. Is because Ford can't produce anything to match the Gen IIIs.
So this must mean that even the Boss 260 (5.4litres) even under racing conditions are no match. But it could be to do with emissions as well as you could imaging how much extra fuel the 5.7litres would be guzzling. Like the 5litres now are getting 4 miles to the gallon. I have heard that the 5.4litre ford engines even in Stock Xr8 are no good when it comes to fuel economy.
But makes me wonder, how many 5 litre donks are sitting out there available year after year for the V8 supercars to use. I think you can only rebuild an engine a certain number of times.
Yours Kindly,
Jim
now choppin the VZ
hmm, skaifies old 5 litre in the vx you say? Yes i can see the potential. :my:
That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
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Puts on flame suit
I was of the opinion that the Gen3 was the way to go, like I mean modern design and more cubes.
Anyway I was at the drags in the pits with some performance engine builders here in Perth. I asked what they thought where the better motors to go with in the modern Faladores. The three of them all agreed on two motors. The first was a Turbo Falcon six. The second was the old five litre with a "355" stroker crank.
Two of them claim the power is easier to make in the 355 combo, stock heads are better to get power out and a host of other things I forget.
COME racing also seem pretty keen on the 5 litre for their combos as well.
I've also see few few aftermarket combo's in the US for this motor. Most seem to be on the older type engines. Dunno why as the Gen3 has been out for a while now.
I hope I've made sense in the above comments.
Yes, you sort of make sense, but in the end, it is still based on someones opinion. i know the VN style head can be made to flow some awesome figures and that there is a busload of performance gear for the 5 litre, but give it the same amount of time and this will be available for the gen 3 too. thats if it stay in holdens line up, which it may not. as you may know, nearly every engine builder, drag racer, whoever has a different opinion on what is a better engine. some may have had a bad run with a certain type, causing them to be biased to a different type. as long as there are different types of engines around, there will always be opinions on them.Puts on flame suit
I was of the opinion that the Gen3 was the way to go, like I mean modern design and more cubes.
Anyway I was at the drags in the pits with some performance engine builders here in Perth. I asked what they thought where the better motors to go with in the modern Faladores. The three of them all agreed on two motors. The first was a Turbo Falcon six. The second was the old five litre with a "355" stroker crank.
Two of them claim the power is easier to make in the 355 combo, stock heads are better to get power out and a host of other things I forget.
COME racing also seem pretty keen on the 5 litre for their combos as well.
I've also see few few aftermarket combo's in the US for this motor. Most seem to be on the older type engines. Dunno why as the Gen3 has been out for a while now.
I hope I've made sense in the above comments.
as far as i'm aware, the XR8's bore vs. stroke ratio doesnt help it in the fuel economy stakes. as for the blocks, holden uses the chev competition blocks and ford uses ford motorsport blocks (as far as i know) which are still being cast to this day in the states.
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Thanx, but back to my original question, would i be better trying to change the engine on the VY asap, or just keeping it untill i get off my P's and then when i get a real paying full time job, then screw round wif it
I have seen VY's goin for around the 14k up to 20k mark, i'd say in 3 years u will get a VY for no more than 10k
As for your original question, If I were u i would .. sell ya VY and Buy a VL
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